sublimity Wrote:
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> I am not planning to retire at any age, even if I
> could.
This was originally my stance. But then I began to dislike corporate life and the dry personalities that work there. Now all I want to do is travel, kayak, ski, run, ride motorcycles, hang out at outdoor restaurants in the middle of a weekday, climb, etc. If I got a $10MM payday tomorrow, I’d be gone and never look back.
Although as a pretty good best of both worlds option is what el duque said, my main motivation to get a PhD would be for the fallback retirement option of a professor. Work light hours through the school year, take the summer off to travel.
Black Swan Wrote:
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Now all I want to
> do is travel, kayak, ski, run, ride motorcycles,
> hang out at outdoor restaurants in the middle of a
> weekday, climb, etc. If I got a $10MM payday
> tomorrow, I’d be gone and never look back.
This. I very much look forward to the day when I wake up in the morning and have absolutely so obligations or commitments and just take the day as it comes.
BValGuy Wrote:
>
>
> This. I very much look forward to the day when I
> wake up in the morning and have absolutely so
> obligations or commitments and just take the day
> as it comes.
And that day will come when your 52 and get laid off and can’t find another job because you’ll be competing with over-qualified 40 year olds willing to work for half of what you would.
murders&executions Wrote:
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> BValGuy Wrote:
> >
> >
> > This. I very much look forward to the day when
> I
> > wake up in the morning and have absolutely so
> > obligations or commitments and just take the
> day
> > as it comes.
>
> And that day will come when your 52 and get laid
> off and can’t find another job because you’ll be
> competing with over-qualified 40 year olds willing
> to work for half of what you would.
Hopefully by the time I’m 52 I’m only working as an outside consultant with limited responsibility as that is going to be the twilight of my career.
murders&executions Wrote:
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> BValGuy Wrote:
> >
> >
> > This. I very much look forward to the day when
> I
> > wake up in the morning and have absolutely so
> > obligations or commitments and just take the
> day
> > as it comes.
>
> And that day will come when your 52 and get laid
> off and can’t find another job because you’ll be
> competing with over-qualified 40 year olds willing
> to work for half of what you would.
Not to worried about it man. I’m fine leaving the rat race to them, corporate life is not the end all existence in the world, it only seems that way to people born with no imagination or an inability to take risks and live independently. I grew up on a farm in the boondocks where most people are self reliant and provide for themselves either farming, running a hardware store, etc. I wouldn’t hesitate to go back to that. I’m equally qualified to lead whitewater trips or outdoors / hiking / climbing trips. I know plenty of guys in their 50’s doing that and getting by while loving life. I kinda feel bad for you, I hope corp life works out cause you seem pretty bitter and with no life outside of it.
I don’t know about you guys, but the reason that I’m in finance is so if I’m suddenly laid off when I’m 50, I’ll just say “cool beans”, and live off my accumulated savings.
Black Swan Wrote:
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> sublimity Wrote:
> ————————————————–
> —–
> > I am not planning to retire at any age, even if
> I
> > could.
>
> This was originally my stance. But then I began
> to dislike corporate life and the dry
> personalities that work there. Now all I want to
> do is travel, kayak, ski, run, ride motorcycles,
> hang out at outdoor restaurants in the middle of a
> weekday, climb, etc. If I got a $10MM payday
> tomorrow, I’d be gone and never look back.
>
> Although as a pretty good best of both worlds
> option is what el duque said, my main motivation
> to get a PhD would be for the fallback retirement
> option of a professor. Work light hours through
> the school year, take the summer off to travel.
I’d probably find a nontarget state school to teach at. With the right expertise/experience one could probably work their way into an adjunct lecturer position. A retired PM does this at our school, and he has no PhD (CPA, CFA, & MBA).
supersadface.mi...
sublimity Wrote:
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> I am not planning to retire at any age, even if I
> could.
>
> How about you?
I’ve wanted to be a value investor since I understood what investing was. Now that I’m at a value shop, I’m enjoying it about as much as I thought I would (read: a lot). Evidently, it’s got a loose correlation with longevity. These guys just keep grinding it out till they’re approximately a billion years old. My boss is twice my age, his boss (who hired him when he was my age) still works 4 days/week, warren buffett, charlie munger, the cohens, walter and edwin schloss…I think there are a few more who are 80+.
That said, if I got a sick payday, I *would* be happy to run my own money as a charitable foundation, and not have to answer to clients. That’d be pretty cool, and i’m about 90% that’s what the schlosses decided to do once they shut down the business at the height of the dot-com bubble.
ohai Wrote:
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> I don’t know about you guys, but the reason that
> I’m in finance is so if I’m suddenly laid off when
> I’m 50, I’ll just say “cool beans”, and live off
> my accumulated savings.
Most people’s retirement decisions are not based on hitting a certain number or a certain age.
It’s really a function of marginal income versus accumulated wealth. Few people would retire if next year’s income is still significant relative to their bank account.
@comp_sci_kid
I stopped playing Starcraft 2, got bored of it just like I got bored of chess and poker. Basically, I know enough of it to understand most of the principles, and further progress is more pure mechanics and rote (build orders, opening lines, playing tight aggressive forStarcraft 2, chess, and poker, respectively, for example) than higher order strategy.
sublimity Wrote:
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> Interesting points of view everyone, thanks!
>
> @comp_sci_kid
> I stopped playing Starcraft 2, got bored of it
> just like I got bored of chess and poker.
> Basically, I know enough of it to understand most
> of the principles, and further progress is more
> pure mechanics and rote (build orders, opening
> lines, playing tight aggressive forStarcraft 2,
> chess, and poker, respectively, for example) than
> higher order strategy.
dude, in majority of things, execution is the most difficult to master. Concepts are easy to acquire but execution where pro differs from amatuer
I never said chess was simple, I just said I’m bored of it since I’ve played it for many years. You are judging the game from winning and losing and my ability at playing, I’m judging it from whether I enjoy playing it or not. Those are highly differing dimensions.
Furthermore, I couldn’t care less about beating grandmasters. If you give me a cheap computer and a software program less than $100, I can destroy any grandmaster who is a “genius”, as could anyone who has an IQ 3-4 standard deviations less than me. Same goes for poker soon (and already for many limit games, no limit is poker is probably already beatable by computers at all but the highest levels of play) and Starcraft 2 eventually.
Well, if you wanna get into the strategy of Starcraft 2, haha…
I think there’s a LOT of strategy and its much less rote than say, Starcraft 1, though I haven’t played Frozen Throne.
The problem for me is that in order to implement the micro strategies, it takes a lot of practice. I admire people who can do that, don’t get me wrong. Amazing that some people can control a lot of units with 400 APM (actions per minute) and cast various spells, etc., but to me it is mindnumbing and just not fun in order to build my skillz to that level.
Another example is the beginning build order. There are of course various builds, but they can be split into three broad groups: aggressive, balanced, economical. There are actual programs out there where you can practice these build orders so that you can get everything down so perfect that you can time it down to the 1-2 seconds.
A final example is practicing controlling units that are slightly outrange and/or outpace other units. One example might controlling Terran Marines vs. incoming Zerg banelings. In order to effectively deal with the threat as Terran, you have to attack, move, attack, move, attack, move. At the same time splitting up your Marines unto multiple groups so that they don’t get destroyed by the splash damage of the banelings.
In all these cases, execution is very difficult and an art by itself, something that I admire. However, I don’t care enough to practice it all day and all night to move up in the ranks. I find the academic understanding aspect more enjoyable. In chess, this may entail knowing that you need to control the center, or being able to dictate the tempo of the play, as the intangible keys to being a better player. In order to implement this, you need to study thousands of games and get into the nitty gritty and the multitude of permutations.
In poker, this may mean knowing the proper frequency to bluff on the river (you have to offer them pot odds equal to the odds you are bluffing, for example, so that you do not have an exploitable strategy), or the right way to do a semi-bluff according to implied odds, and tailor that to your particular opponents and their number. That’s the idea. The execution is very difficult, especially against observant opponents and your needing tens or hundreds of thousands of trials for the statistics to work in your way. I can understand the academic strategy, but find it mind-numbingly boring to actually play and execute it.
Anyways, I think I wrote a lot, I didn’t even mean to. :)
President: Fellow board members, we have a problem: somebody in the World of Warcraft is ignoring the World’s rules …and is going around killing innocent players..
Member 1: Why kill innocent players? The game is about finishing quests.
Member 2: We’ve got to delete him from the servers.
President: We can’t. Whoever this player is, he has played World of Warcraft so much, that he has reached a level we thought unreachable. He’s actually able to kill our admins. And he grows stronger every day.
Member 3: Jesus…
Member 4: [rises from his chair] I’ve gotta get home! My kids are playing World of Warcraft right now!
President: Jim, your kids’ characters are already dead.
Jim: No… [sinks back into his seat] No… [frustrated] They just started playing!
Member 2: What kind of person would do this?
President: [walks back to the end of the table, by the doors] Only one kind. Whoever this player is, he has played World of Warcraft nearly every hour of every day for the past year and a half. Gentlemen, we are dealing with someone here who… had absolutely no life.
Member 3: How do you kill… that which has no life?
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
i agree i am more interested in strat aspect rather than APMs …………..most if not all SC gosus are from south korea……………the current reigning frozen throne champ (Grubby) is from europe…………. sure frozen throne still has some click aspects to it but the strat is more central…………..for example if u build 50 units u have built plenty
Probably will only partially retire. I’d like to teach as a lecturer when I’m old as the hills.
sublimity Wrote:
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> I am not planning to retire at any age, even if I
> could.
This was originally my stance. But then I began to dislike corporate life and the dry personalities that work there. Now all I want to do is travel, kayak, ski, run, ride motorcycles, hang out at outdoor restaurants in the middle of a weekday, climb, etc. If I got a $10MM payday tomorrow, I’d be gone and never look back.
Although as a pretty good best of both worlds option is what el duque said, my main motivation to get a PhD would be for the fallback retirement option of a professor. Work light hours through the school year, take the summer off to travel.
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
Black Swan Wrote:
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Now all I want to
> do is travel, kayak, ski, run, ride motorcycles,
> hang out at outdoor restaurants in the middle of a
> weekday, climb, etc. If I got a $10MM payday
> tomorrow, I’d be gone and never look back.
This. I very much look forward to the day when I wake up in the morning and have absolutely so obligations or commitments and just take the day as it comes.
^Yep, just in the moment, no plans, no obligations, no worries
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
I just want to wake up and own everyone on StarCraft 2, and maybe one day i will reach the glory of Sublimity
BValGuy Wrote:
>
>
> This. I very much look forward to the day when I
> wake up in the morning and have absolutely so
> obligations or commitments and just take the day
> as it comes.
And that day will come when your 52 and get laid off and can’t find another job because you’ll be competing with over-qualified 40 year olds willing to work for half of what you would.
murders&executions Wrote:
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> BValGuy Wrote:
> >
> >
> > This. I very much look forward to the day when
> I
> > wake up in the morning and have absolutely so
> > obligations or commitments and just take the
> day
> > as it comes.
>
> And that day will come when your 52 and get laid
> off and can’t find another job because you’ll be
> competing with over-qualified 40 year olds willing
> to work for half of what you would.
Hopefully by the time I’m 52 I’m only working as an outside consultant with limited responsibility as that is going to be the twilight of my career.
murders&executions Wrote:
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> BValGuy Wrote:
> >
> >
> > This. I very much look forward to the day when
> I
> > wake up in the morning and have absolutely so
> > obligations or commitments and just take the
> day
> > as it comes.
>
> And that day will come when your 52 and get laid
> off and can’t find another job because you’ll be
> competing with over-qualified 40 year olds willing
> to work for half of what you would.
Not to worried about it man. I’m fine leaving the rat race to them, corporate life is not the end all existence in the world, it only seems that way to people born with no imagination or an inability to take risks and live independently. I grew up on a farm in the boondocks where most people are self reliant and provide for themselves either farming, running a hardware store, etc. I wouldn’t hesitate to go back to that. I’m equally qualified to lead whitewater trips or outdoors / hiking / climbing trips. I know plenty of guys in their 50’s doing that and getting by while loving life. I kinda feel bad for you, I hope corp life works out cause you seem pretty bitter and with no life outside of it.
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
I don’t know about you guys, but the reason that I’m in finance is so if I’m suddenly laid off when I’m 50, I’ll just say “cool beans”, and live off my accumulated savings.
“I’m a CPA! I got money b***h!”
Black Swan Wrote:
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> sublimity Wrote:
> ————————————————–
> —–
> > I am not planning to retire at any age, even if
> I
> > could.
>
> This was originally my stance. But then I began
> to dislike corporate life and the dry
> personalities that work there. Now all I want to
> do is travel, kayak, ski, run, ride motorcycles,
> hang out at outdoor restaurants in the middle of a
> weekday, climb, etc. If I got a $10MM payday
> tomorrow, I’d be gone and never look back.
>
> Although as a pretty good best of both worlds
> option is what el duque said, my main motivation
> to get a PhD would be for the fallback retirement
> option of a professor. Work light hours through
> the school year, take the summer off to travel.
I’d probably find a nontarget state school to teach at. With the right expertise/experience one could probably work their way into an adjunct lecturer position. A retired PM does this at our school, and he has no PhD (CPA, CFA, & MBA).
sublimity Wrote:
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> I am not planning to retire at any age, even if I
> could.
>
> How about you?
I’ve wanted to be a value investor since I understood what investing was. Now that I’m at a value shop, I’m enjoying it about as much as I thought I would (read: a lot). Evidently, it’s got a loose correlation with longevity. These guys just keep grinding it out till they’re approximately a billion years old. My boss is twice my age, his boss (who hired him when he was my age) still works 4 days/week, warren buffett, charlie munger, the cohens, walter and edwin schloss…I think there are a few more who are 80+.
That said, if I got a sick payday, I *would* be happy to run my own money as a charitable foundation, and not have to answer to clients. That’d be pretty cool, and i’m about 90% that’s what the schlosses decided to do once they shut down the business at the height of the dot-com bubble.
ohai Wrote:
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> I don’t know about you guys, but the reason that
> I’m in finance is so if I’m suddenly laid off when
> I’m 50, I’ll just say “cool beans”, and live off
> my accumulated savings.
Most people’s retirement decisions are not based on hitting a certain number or a certain age.
It’s really a function of marginal income versus accumulated wealth. Few people would retire if next year’s income is still significant relative to their bank account.
The point I’m trying to make is that in some cases, the decision to retire or not is completely out of your hands.
Interesting points of view everyone, thanks!
@comp_sci_kid
I stopped playing Starcraft 2, got bored of it just like I got bored of chess and poker. Basically, I know enough of it to understand most of the principles, and further progress is more pure mechanics and rote (build orders, opening lines, playing tight aggressive forStarcraft 2, chess, and poker, respectively, for example) than higher order strategy.
sublimity Wrote:
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> Interesting points of view everyone, thanks!
>
> @comp_sci_kid
> I stopped playing Starcraft 2, got bored of it
> just like I got bored of chess and poker.
> Basically, I know enough of it to understand most
> of the principles, and further progress is more
> pure mechanics and rote (build orders, opening
> lines, playing tight aggressive forStarcraft 2,
> chess, and poker, respectively, for example) than
> higher order strategy.
dude, in majority of things, execution is the most difficult to master. Concepts are easy to acquire but execution where pro differs from amatuer
Yah, pretty sure any chess grandmaster would rip sub apart. No offense Sub, you’d probably do better than me, but chess is just not that simple.
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
None taken.
I never said chess was simple, I just said I’m bored of it since I’ve played it for many years. You are judging the game from winning and losing and my ability at playing, I’m judging it from whether I enjoy playing it or not. Those are highly differing dimensions.
Furthermore, I couldn’t care less about beating grandmasters. If you give me a cheap computer and a software program less than $100, I can destroy any grandmaster who is a “genius”, as could anyone who has an IQ 3-4 standard deviations less than me. Same goes for poker soon (and already for many limit games, no limit is poker is probably already beatable by computers at all but the highest levels of play) and Starcraft 2 eventually.
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which is why i still prefer warcraft frozen throne…………….much harder to have a cookie strat well apart from BM
Hope this helps
And I, for one, welcome our new computer overlords.
Well, if you wanna get into the strategy of Starcraft 2, haha…
I think there’s a LOT of strategy and its much less rote than say, Starcraft 1, though I haven’t played Frozen Throne.
The problem for me is that in order to implement the micro strategies, it takes a lot of practice. I admire people who can do that, don’t get me wrong. Amazing that some people can control a lot of units with 400 APM (actions per minute) and cast various spells, etc., but to me it is mindnumbing and just not fun in order to build my skillz to that level.
Another example is the beginning build order. There are of course various builds, but they can be split into three broad groups: aggressive, balanced, economical. There are actual programs out there where you can practice these build orders so that you can get everything down so perfect that you can time it down to the 1-2 seconds.
A final example is practicing controlling units that are slightly outrange and/or outpace other units. One example might controlling Terran Marines vs. incoming Zerg banelings. In order to effectively deal with the threat as Terran, you have to attack, move, attack, move, attack, move. At the same time splitting up your Marines unto multiple groups so that they don’t get destroyed by the splash damage of the banelings.
In all these cases, execution is very difficult and an art by itself, something that I admire. However, I don’t care enough to practice it all day and all night to move up in the ranks. I find the academic understanding aspect more enjoyable. In chess, this may entail knowing that you need to control the center, or being able to dictate the tempo of the play, as the intangible keys to being a better player. In order to implement this, you need to study thousands of games and get into the nitty gritty and the multitude of permutations.
In poker, this may mean knowing the proper frequency to bluff on the river (you have to offer them pot odds equal to the odds you are bluffing, for example, so that you do not have an exploitable strategy), or the right way to do a semi-bluff according to implied odds, and tailor that to your particular opponents and their number. That’s the idea. The execution is very difficult, especially against observant opponents and your needing tens or hundreds of thousands of trials for the statistics to work in your way. I can understand the academic strategy, but find it mind-numbingly boring to actually play and execute it.
Anyways, I think I wrote a lot, I didn’t even mean to. :)
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In the World of Warcraft Executive Boardroom
President: Fellow board members, we have a problem: somebody in the World of Warcraft is ignoring the World’s rules …and is going around killing innocent players..
Member 1: Why kill innocent players? The game is about finishing quests.
Member 2: We’ve got to delete him from the servers.
President: We can’t. Whoever this player is, he has played World of Warcraft so much, that he has reached a level we thought unreachable. He’s actually able to kill our admins. And he grows stronger every day.
Member 3: Jesus…
Member 4: [rises from his chair] I’ve gotta get home! My kids are playing World of Warcraft right now!
President: Jim, your kids’ characters are already dead.
Jim: No… [sinks back into his seat] No… [frustrated] They just started playing!
Member 2: What kind of person would do this?
President: [walks back to the end of the table, by the doors] Only one kind. Whoever this player is, he has played World of Warcraft nearly every hour of every day for the past year and a half. Gentlemen, we are dealing with someone here who… had absolutely no life.
Member 3: How do you kill… that which has no life?
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
Studying With
^LOL^ they nailed that episode……………my GF was dying!!!!
Hope this helps
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i agree i am more interested in strat aspect rather than APMs …………..most if not all SC gosus are from south korea……………the current reigning frozen throne champ (Grubby) is from europe…………. sure frozen throne still has some click aspects to it but the strat is more central…………..for example if u build 50 units u have built plenty
Hope this helps
i get bored with video games pretty quickly. i prefer real life for its quirks and randomness.
as i’ve said before, my plan is to retire at the beach and open a bar. maybe a chair and umbrella rental stand, too.
murders&executions Wrote:
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> And I, for one, welcome our new computer
> overlords.
Lulz. +1
Anyways, to get back to the subject.
Are you planning to retire or not?
sublimity my buddy, hows career, hows your mother
oh yea im diamond league in sc2
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cfagoal2 Wrote:
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> sublimity my buddy, hows career, hows your mother
his mom cant talk right now ……..mouths full
Hope this helps
sup cfagoal2? life’s good, phd’ed and working as a consultant for tech.
also, mom just died. happy pimpineasy?