"Is Obama Smart?"

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ManMythLegend's picture

thommo77 Wrote:
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> man you guys are brutal. No wonder this country
> is so divided. There is no middle ground anymore.
> I don’t agree with some of Obama’s policies, but
> I do know the guy is smart teleprompter or no
> teleprompter.

Jimmy Carter was a hell of a lot smarter than Obama is and his presidency was a disaster as well. It takes more than just smarts.

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ZeroBonus Wrote:
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> to all who claim Owebama is a great speaker,
> please youtube clips when his teleprompter fails
> on him
>
> The guy goes into pure gibberish mode

just another so called smart negro right

jeez argue about his policies instead we get these half ass petty base accusations,

obama only eats arugula he is such an elitist!!!!

Hope this helps

AlphaSeeker's picture

What happened when the teleprompter failed??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno

thommo77's picture

ManMythLegend Wrote:
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> thommo77 Wrote:
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> —–
> > man you guys are brutal. No wonder this
> country
> > is so divided. There is no middle ground
> anymore.
> > I don’t agree with some of Obama’s policies,
> but
> > I do know the guy is smart teleprompter or no
> > teleprompter.
>
> Jimmy Carter was a hell of a lot smarter than
> Obama is and his presidency was a disaster as
> well. It takes more than just smarts.

The question the OP posted was “is Obama smart” and posted some troll article that most us agree is crap writing, pure rubbish piece of journalism. In my mind, the answer is unequivocally yes Obama is a smart guy. The question of whether his presidency is a success or a disaster is a completely different discussion. My point is simply that Obama is a smart guy love him or hate him.

Sweep the Leg's picture

thommo77 Wrote:
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> He went to Harvard and was Editor of Law Review -
> the guy clearly is smart despite what people think
> of him.

I’d have more respect for him if he had been editor of National Lampoon’s.

ManMythLegend's picture

thommo77 Wrote:
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> ManMythLegend Wrote:
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> —–
> > thommo77 Wrote:
> >
> ————————————————–
>
> > —–
> > > man you guys are brutal. No wonder this
> > country
> > > is so divided. There is no middle ground
> > anymore.
> > > I don’t agree with some of Obama’s policies,
> > but
> > > I do know the guy is smart teleprompter or no
> > > teleprompter.
> >
> > Jimmy Carter was a hell of a lot smarter than
> > Obama is and his presidency was a disaster as
> > well. It takes more than just smarts.
>
>
> The question the OP posted was “is Obama smart”
> and posted some troll article that most us agree
> is crap writing, pure rubbish piece of journalism.
> In my mind, the answer is unequivocally yes Obama
> is a smart guy. The question of whether his
> presidency is a success or a disaster is a
> completely different discussion. My point is
> simply that Obama is a smart guy love him or hate
> him.

A “smart guy” can mean different things to different people.

ManMythLegend's picture

Sweep the Leg Wrote:
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> thommo77 Wrote:
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> —–
> > He went to Harvard and was Editor of Law Review
> -
> > the guy clearly is smart despite what people
> think
> > of him.
>
> I’d have more respect for him if he had been
> editor of National Lampoon’s.

Or “The Onion.”

NakedPuts's picture

Just in case you’re not aware, basically every politician you’ve heard speak in any context for the last 60 years or so has been using a teleprompter. The “oh he’s not a good speaker without the TPT” have got to be some of the lamest attacks I’ve ever heard.

bchad's picture

Historically, the US has detested having highly educated Presidents. It’s just the way we like it. Clinton (Rhodes Scholar, which means an Oxford postgraduate education) is a bit of an exception, helped by favorable economic conditions (and one could argue that the republicans still detest him).

As for Bush going to Harvard and Yale, my recollection is that his GPA was basically a “gentleman’s C.” Obama held a number of prestigious positions, like editor of the Harvard Law Review. I’m not an expert on this stuff, but their performance in school was certainly different.

Our most educated presidents have been Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson. Both left more or less in disgrace (Wilson did suffer a stroke that was hidden from the public and he was basically out of commission, but this happened as he was out trying to rally support from the public). Obama and Kennedy are also up there in terms of education. Kennedy was reasonably popular by the time he was assassinated, but had a lot of trouble early on with Kruschev and the Bay of Pigs.

I should add that our most educated presidents often have very important legacies, despite. Wilson basically invented the League of Nations, which is now the United Nations. Carter spotted the need for energy policy and some important environmental planning issues that are highly respected today, even if they were not implemented. Obama’s healthcare effort may be remembered this way in 30 years.

Teddy Roosevelt was a fairly popular and highly educated president. Educated and aggressive seems to fit with the US character. As long as you are expanding the US in the world successfully, the public doesn’t mind if you talk smart.

Obama was a highly motivational speaker. The contrast from the campaign to the presidency is really stunning. I think it’s because on the campaign trail, he was able to talk about his hopes for the country, and he really is good at marshaling that emotional energy. And the message was basically his.

As President, Obama tries to talk in a balanced way, for good or ill. He tends to talk like a professor addressing a student in a classroom “I understand this point, it doesn’t mean that we ignore that point, but point Z is what’s important here.” And although I agree with his logic on this stuff, it is NOT inspiring, very wonkish, and most of the public tunes out as they hear it. Then they gravitate to things like the Tea Party (or possibly the far left) because even though both of those groups are insane, their message sounds simple and doesn’t require having to make any balancing decisions. Rule by slogan, basically.

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

Sweep the Leg's picture

ManMythLegend Wrote:
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> Or “The Onion.”

True, but National Lampoon’s was a Harvard magazine.

ManMythLegend's picture

bchadwick Wrote:
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> Historically, the US has detested having highly
> educated Presidents. It’s just the way we like
> it.
>
> As for Bush going to Harvard and Yale, my
> recollection is that his GPA was basically a
> “gentleman’s C.” Obama held a number of
> prestigious positions, like editor of the Harvard
> Law Review. I’m not an expert on this stuff, but
> their performance in school was certainly
> different.
>
> Our most educated presidents have been Jimmy
> Carter and Woodrow Wilson. Both left more or less
> in disgrace (Wilson did suffer a stroke that was
> hidden from the public and he was basically out of
> commission, but this happened as he was out trying
> to rally support from the public). Obama and
> Kennedy are also up there in terms of education.
> Kennedy was reasonably popular by the time he was
> assassinated, but had a lot of trouble early on
> with Kruschev and the Bay of Pigs.
>
> Teddy Roosevelt was a fairly popular and highly
> educated president. Educated and aggressive seems
> to fit with the US character. As long as you are
> expanding the US in the world successfully, the
> public doesn’t mind if you talk smart.
>
>
> Obama was a highly motivational speaker. The
> contrast from the campaign to the presidency is
> really stunning. I think it’s because on the
> campaign trail, he was able to talk about his
> hopes for the country, and he really is good at
> marshaling that emotional energy. And the message
> was basically his.
>
> As President, Obama tries to talk in a balanced
> way, for good or ill. He tends to talk like a
> professor addressing a student in a classroom “I
> understand this point, it doesn’t mean that we
> ignore that point, but point Z is what’s important
> here.” And although I agree with his logic on
> this stuff, it is NOT inspiring, very wonkish, and
> most of the public tunes out as they hear it.
> Then they gravitate to things like the Tea Party
> (or possibly the far left) because even though
> both of those groups are insane, their message
> sounds simple and doesn’t require having to make
> any balancing decisions. Rule by slogan,
> basically.

I think we’re in agreement that Obama is awful. But I will disagree with a couple things:

1) Please don’t ever put Kennedy and Obama in the same sentence again.
2) People haven’t gravitated to the Tea Party because their message is simple, they’ve gravitated away from what isn’t working. Obama and the Dems simply are not working right now.

NakedPuts's picture

ManMythLegend Wrote:
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> Canadian_Accountant Wrote:
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> > No matter what you think of his policies, if
> you
> > read any of his writings you can see the logic
> of
> > his thought process. Not saying smartest
> > president ever, but has the critical thinking
> > skills inline with Clinton, Bush1, Reagan.
> >
> > Definitely not as dumb as a Bush2 or Palin.
> >
> >
> > edit: also, I need a glass of water after
> > consuming that pile of shit.
>
> What in the world does Palin have to do with this?

Actually, she injected herself (as usual) into the conversation:

“One doesn’t need a Harvard Law degree to figure this out!” she wrote, an obvious dig at the president, who attended law school at Harvard. “By what magical thinking did we figure we could run up perpetual trillion dollar deficits and still somehow avoid the unforgiving mathematics of a downgrade? Nothing is ever ‘too big to fail.’ And there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Didn’t we all learn that in our micro and macro econ classes? I did at the University of Idaho. How could Obama skip through Columbia and Harvard without learning that?”

To be more specific though, she learned that at The University of Hawaii at Hilo, Hawaii Pacific University, North Idaho Community College, Matanuska-Susitna College, and the University of Idaho.

NakedPuts's picture

ManMythLegend Wrote:
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> Sweep the Leg Wrote:
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> —–
> > thommo77 Wrote:
> >
> ————————————————–
>
> > —–
> > > He went to Harvard and was Editor of Law
> Review
> > -
> > > the guy clearly is smart despite what people
> > think
> > > of him.
> >
> > I’d have more respect for him if he had been
> > editor of National Lampoon’s.
>
> Or “The Onion.”

That’s pretty funny, because you remind me of the people who are the butt of the joke in this article:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/barack-obama-either-doing-his-best-in-o...

ManMythLegend's picture

NakedPuts Wrote:
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> ManMythLegend Wrote:
> ————————————————–
> —–
> > Sweep the Leg Wrote:
> >
> ————————————————–
>
> > —–
> > > thommo77 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> ————————————————–
>
> >
> > > —–
> > > > He went to Harvard and was Editor of Law
> > Review
> > > -
> > > > the guy clearly is smart despite what
> people
> > > think
> > > > of him.
> > >
> > > I’d have more respect for him if he had been
> > > editor of National Lampoon’s.
> >
> > Or “The Onion.”
>
> That’s pretty funny, because you remind me of the
> people who are the butt of the joke in this
> article:
>
> http://www.theonion.com/articles/barack-obama-eith
> er-doing-his-best-in-one-of-the-m,18635/

Naked, from your posts, I’m gathering you have some sort of man crush on Obama. How’s that working out for you?

LBriscoe's picture

> Naked, from your posts, I’m gathering you have
> some sort of man crush on Obama. How’s that
> working out for you?

Remember “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter”? How’s that working out for you?

ManMythLegend's picture

LBriscoe Wrote:
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> > Naked, from your posts, I’m gathering you have
> > some sort of man crush on Obama. How’s that
> > working out for you?
>
>
> Remember “Reagan proved that deficits don’t
> matter”? How’s that working out for you?

Reagan is dead.

NakedPuts's picture

ManMythLegend Wrote:
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> Naked, from your posts, I’m gathering you have
> some sort of man crush on Obama. How’s that
> working out for you?

What I have is an intolerance for those who, whether it’s from blind partisanship, racism or stupidity, believe EVERYTHING Obama has done is the Worst Thing Ever, and agree with the Republican’s governing policy of “Oppose every single thing Obama tries to do”. I mean, if Obama came out in support of puppies and rainbows, I’m pretty sure Michelle Bachmann would introduce opposing legislation (just kidding - Bachmann doesn’t actually propose legislation).

All you have to do to realize people like you are nuts is look at the left’s general opinion of Obama, which is not all that sterling. Obviously they’ll vote for him again - it’s a 2 party system, remember? But generally speaking, they’re not all that satisfied. The wars are on-going. The Bush tax cuts were extended. HCR was basically a copy of the Republican strategy for HCR (but they still had to oppose it). There are 500,000 fewer government employees now than when Obama came into office. Taxes are across the board lower than under GWB. This is the big scary black muslim socialist Kenyan? Please. Take off your Fox News blinders.

AlphaSeeker's picture

bchadwick Wrote:
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> Historically, the US has detested having highly
> educated Presidents. It’s just the way we like
> it. Clinton (Rhodes Scholar, which means an
> Oxford postgraduate education) is a bit of an
> exception, helped by favorable economic conditions
> (and one could argue that the republicans still
> detest him).
>
> As for Bush going to Harvard and Yale, my
> recollection is that his GPA was basically a
> “gentleman’s C.” Obama held a number of
> prestigious positions, like editor of the Harvard
> Law Review. I’m not an expert on this stuff, but
> their performance in school was certainly
> different.
>
> Our most educated presidents have been Jimmy
> Carter and Woodrow Wilson. Both left more or less
> in disgrace (Wilson did suffer a stroke that was
> hidden from the public and he was basically out of
> commission, but this happened as he was out trying
> to rally support from the public). Obama and
> Kennedy are also up there in terms of education.
> Kennedy was reasonably popular by the time he was
> assassinated, but had a lot of trouble early on
> with Kruschev and the Bay of Pigs.
>
> I should add that our most educated presidents
> often have very important legacies, despite.
> Wilson basically invented the League of Nations,
> which is now the United Nations. Carter spotted
> the need for energy policy and some important
> environmental planning issues that are highly
> respected today, even if they were not
> implemented. Obama’s healthcare effort may be
> remembered this way in 30 years.
>
>
> Teddy Roosevelt was a fairly popular and highly
> educated president. Educated and aggressive seems
> to fit with the US character. As long as you are
> expanding the US in the world successfully, the
> public doesn’t mind if you talk smart.
>
>
> Obama was a highly motivational speaker. The
> contrast from the campaign to the presidency is
> really stunning. I think it’s because on the
> campaign trail, he was able to talk about his
> hopes for the country, and he really is good at
> marshaling that emotional energy. And the message
> was basically his.
>
> As President, Obama tries to talk in a balanced
> way, for good or ill. He tends to talk like a
> professor addressing a student in a classroom “I
> understand this point, it doesn’t mean that we
> ignore that point, but point Z is what’s important
> here.” And although I agree with his logic on
> this stuff, it is NOT inspiring, very wonkish, and
> most of the public tunes out as they hear it.
> Then they gravitate to things like the Tea Party
> (or possibly the far left) because even though
> both of those groups are insane, their message
> sounds simple and doesn’t require having to make
> any balancing decisions. Rule by slogan,
> basically.

I really don’t find B.O. a motivational speaker… I found his speach flammtory and divisive.

He usually paints a picture of how much the poor suffer (which I agree are our problems)…

But he then will say, to solve our problem, we need to tax the “fat cats” so they pay their fair share… Isn’t that divisive?

I would prefer a president saying, we need to encourage the fat cats invest thier money in businesses, create jobs, and train the unemployed for their next job opportunities.

ManMythLegend's picture

NakedPuts Wrote:
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> ManMythLegend Wrote:
> ————————————————–
> —–
>
> > Naked, from your posts, I’m gathering you have
> > some sort of man crush on Obama. How’s that
> > working out for you?
>
> What I have is an intolerance for those who,
> whether it’s from blind partisanship, racism or
> stupidity, believe EVERYTHING Obama has done is
> the Worst Thing Ever, and agree with the
> Republican’s governing policy of “Oppose every
> single thing Obama tries to do”. I mean, if Obama
> came out in support of puppies and rainbows, I’m
> pretty sure Michelle Bachmann would introduce
> opposing legislation (just kidding - Bachmann
> doesn’t actually propose legislation).
>
> All you have to do to realize people like you are
> nuts is look at the left’s general opinion of
> Obama, which is not all that sterling. Obviously
> they’ll vote for him again - it’s a 2 party
> system, remember? But generally speaking, they’re
> not all that satisfied. The wars are on-going.
> The Bush tax cuts were extended. HCR was
> basically a copy of the Republican strategy for
> HCR (but they still had to oppose it). There are
> 500,000 fewer government employees now than when
> Obama came into office. Taxes are across the board
> lower than under GWB. This is the big scary black
> muslim socialist Kenyan? Please. Take off your
> Fox News blinders.

You forgot to mention that Obama refuses to slash entitlement programs.

Figures you would leave that out.

NakedPuts's picture

Do you have anything to say, or are you just going to take potshots? He put reforms on the table, but yeah, he refuses to slash them. He’s still a Democrat. Are you saying there’s something wrong with him because he’s not taking moves from the far right wing of the Republican party? That’s like criticizing GWB for not raising taxes.

ManMythLegend's picture

NakedPuts Wrote:
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> Do you have anything to say, or are you just going
> to take potshots? He put reforms on the table,
> but yeah, he refuses to slash them. He’s still a
> Democrat. Are you saying there’s something wrong
> with him because he’s not taking moves from the
> far right wing of the Republican party? That’s
> like criticizing GWB for not raising taxes.

Since when is stating the truth taking potshots? Yes I realize that he’s a Democrat. Does that mean he’s exempt from taking criticisim on his policies? A “smart” president would have realized that entitlement programs are the root of all evil in this country and need to be addressed. Obama either doesn’t understand it or refuses to acknowledge it.

murders&executions's picture

The notions that Obama is the smartest person in the US and GWB is the dumbest are each greatly exaggerated.

NakedPuts's picture

ManMythLegend Wrote:
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president would have realized
> that entitlement programs are the root of all evil
> in this country and

I mean I realized you were off the deep end but if you would have just stated this upfront it would have been much clearer upfront and I could have saved myself several wasted posts.

marcus phoenix's picture

^ The trillions spent on wasteful war spending dosent bother him, he is considers social security and medicare which people have already paid into “evil entitlement programs”. What a tool.

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ManMythLegend's picture

marcus phoenix Wrote:
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> ^ The trillions spent on wasteful war spending
> dosent bother him, he is considers social security
> and medicare which people have already paid into
> “evil entitlement programs”. What a tool.

The money has already been spent on the wars. Nothing we can do about it now.

Right now, entitlement programs are bending this country over someone’s knee. Time to cut them. I can only pray that someone gets into office with big enough balls to make it happen.

greengrape's picture

I’ve been a republican since the beginning. And honestly, raise taxes on the wealthy and cut spending.

I’m disgusted at the GOP holding hostage our nation’s credibility just to save taxes, and for once, I’m with the democrats on this one.

thommo77's picture

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ManMythLegend's picture

greengrape Wrote:
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> I’ve been a republican since the beginning. And
> honestly, raise taxes on the wealthy and cut
> spending.
>
> I’m disgusted at the GOP holding hostage our
> nation’s credibility just to save taxes, and for
> once, I’m with the democrats on this one.

Even if the Republicans had caved in on taxes, the Dems wouldn’t have agreed to slash welfare, medicare, public pensions, or social security. So what’s the point? The deficit cannot be trimmed without eliminating entitlement programs.

The Righteous Hacksaw's picture

Correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t Obama go to Oberlin and THEN transfer to Columbia? Not really that impressive.

Getting into Harvard law is somewhat impressive but doesn’t make him a genius in my mind. I have friends that went there. Sure, they are smart, but mostly they are just motivated and selfish.

No Homo

bchad's picture

You might recall that - when he got into Harvard - he wasn’t POTUS, nor did he seem particularly likely to become POTUS. He did not have an impressive pedigree, as GWB did.

I find it odd that people are saying, “yeah, getting into Harvard doesn’t really establish that you’re smart.” And Columbia, well, he got in through one of the side doors through Oberlin, which is one of the most competitive liberal arts colleges and pretty darned selective in and of itself.

Yes, you can say “But GWB got into Harvard business school, and he wasn’t that smart.” That’s true, but when your dad is a member of Congress, Harvard (and Yale) admissions officers think that it might be good for other likely future leaders to get to know you, so even if you aren’t likely to perform well, the people who are expected to perform well really might want to have you (and your dad) in their network.

By contrast, Obama’s dad was… well… some guy in Kenya. And his mom really wasn’t anyone that connected.

And, once he was in Harvard, he actively directed a premiere law publication.

W was the president of his fraternity at Yale. I suspect the parties were quite fun, though.

You really have to have a distorted view of life to say that Obama isn’t intelligent. You can say that his policy isn’t working, or that he doesn’t have a backbone, or isn’t the kind of leader-in-a-crisis that the country hopes for, or lots of other things, but he’s clearly intelligent. This is not a simple crisis for anyone to manage, and the fact that there are missteps isn’t enough to prove that the leader doesn’t have a brain. Things come back and bite you in bizzare feedback loops. And remember that POTUS isn’t just about making optimal financial decisions - it’s about balancing a whole host of things, national security, economic growth, what to do about poverty, the environment, immigration, etc.. A lot of people seem to think “take care of the money/finance and everything will take care of itself.” But that was the whole idea of the GWB and Greenspan deregulated eras… the President has to manage more than just how the stock market performs, and sometimes that means doing things that the stock market doesn’t like.

George H. W. Bush was an intelligent president too. It’s not a liberal / conservative thing. GHWB was an intelligent president whose priorities I disagreed with at the time, but when he spoke, I could tell that when he made a decision, he understood pretty well what was at stake and had made an informed decision based on a different set of priorities than I had.

And as for GWB, I suspect that W’s overall intelligence was average (remembering that the average is not nearly as high as most of us might think), but he did have certain instincts that were - even if I personally disliked them - reasonably politically astute for getting things done on a day to day basis in normal times. His verbal gaffes were amusing to watch, and I did have a sense that he didn’t feel that most issues were worth more than asking himself what his gut feeling was. Sometimes that kind of intuition can work - I don’t think it did - but I accept that for some politicians it does. I see W a kind of Calvin Coolidge, a guy who basically presided over a boom and figured that just being there at the top and using popular slogans was enough to count as being a statesman or leader.

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

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