> If Obama’s plan is fully enacted (which I doubt it
> will) 49% of the populace would not pay any taxes.
> History has shown that serious problems occur
> when one half of society pays for the government
> and the other doesn’t. This is a serious
> departure from the the basis of the founding of
> the United States.
49% of the populace? Does that include kids? Well, those f’in freeloaders under 16 need to start getting to work to pay money.
What % of *working* people is that?
I would love to see your historical examples. Please provide them and their tax rates and also why the societies failed.
Last time I checked history was rife with examples of where the “commoners” paid for everything for the “rich”, resulting in great wealth disaparity. Eventually the “commoners” revolted, overthrew the rich, and took the money.
> and to respond to rohufish, there is no way in
> hell that Americans are the most socially liberal.
> If I remember correctly, the underground railroad
> led right into Canada and if you look at politics,
> all Canadian parties are central or left and all
> American parties are cental or right.
> So i’d say, compared to the middle east and asia,
> yes you are liberal, but compared to Canada,
> Finland, Sweden, Iceland, the UK, Ireland,
> Scotland, France, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal,
> Belgium, Denmark, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Norway,
> Germany, Austria, Hungary, South Africa, Holland,
> Monaco and Japan… America is conservative.
have you lived in any other country? based on my several years in europe, india and USA each, there is just no doubt about which country is more socially liberal - USA anyway.
indians are among the most class and race conscious people on this planet, as are most ethnically defined nations, including europeans, chinese, japanese.
canada i agree with - more liberal. australia more socially conservative. but among other major nations, any day USA. south africa on paper is more liberal because of their constitution (i have lived in south africa for 6 months too, my friend), but with zuma and zimbabwe and the black movement, i guarantee you, it will take a turn to the ethnic side sooner or later.
Well I obviously went a little far with it, but… I’d hold on my stance that middle Europe, Scandanavia, South Africa and Canada are far ahead of the US as a WHOLE. Go to Utah and tell me there are liberal individuals there.
And I haven’t been to EVERY nation above, but all those that I stated, I personally know an individual who lives in Canada but grew up in that country… except for Monaco.. who lives in Monaco. like 10 people?
Now they are all from the left. Dow down almost 500 yesterday, I can see another 500 downer today.
This is what America gets when enough people voted with their emotion, their heart, their bias, their whatever, just not their brain…
> thats a good point bchadwick. the remarkable thing
> about obama’s campaign is how he essentially
> ‘community organized’ his way to the win. small $5
> donors who otherwise would be totally cut out of
> the whole lobbying game funded him. its a new
> paradigm really.
The Obama campaign has not disclosed details/identities of contributions below $250.
Gee, I wonder what could have stopped the lobbyists/power brokers from making numerous contributions below $250?
The hatred for the Republican party has reached to such an extent that hardly anyone even wants to take a step back and analyze things.
Nothing has and nothing will change with this new President, even if he was John McCain. People will learn it the hard way.
However, the next bubble that is going to burst is “HOPE”
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"
> indians are among the most class and race
> conscious people on this planet, as are most
> ethnically defined nations, including europeans,
> chinese, japanese.
True. But in 61 years of Indian Independence, there has already been one women President, one woman Prime Minister, and three Muslim Presidents elected to office. Its been 234 years since the U.S. Independence, and today, BO is the first non-white to become a President. There still isn’t a woman President.
If there is a general sentiment of dislike for the Muslims in the US since 9/11, you can only imagine what the sentiment must be in India where terrorism is a daily event for the past 35 years with, unfortunately, almost always the involvement being that of some radical Muslim group. Yet the nation has rightly put aside the prejudice and have elected Muslims to top office in the country.
> Now they are all from the left. Dow down almost
> 500 yesterday, I can see another 500 downer
> This is what America gets when enough people voted
> with their emotion, their heart, their bias, their
> whatever, just not their brain…
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the continuing financial crisis, layoffs, bad financials, and other grim data. Because McCain being voted in would have shot the DJIA through the roof…
Talk about not voting, or thinking, with one’s brain.
Spierce, fair point.
But no matter how much lipstick is put on this pig market selloff since yesterday, it’s just wall street voting with money on the dim outlook when you have a left white house and even further left congress…
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