The owner of the daycare where my daughter goes drives a 6 Series convertible and the manager drives an E Class. Initial investment is not insignificant though. Start-up costs for Goddard are about $700,000 minimum and $150,000 has to be equity.
Some of the day care places near where I live charge over $20k per year. Wtf? Maybe this is worth looking into. I mean, how hard can it be? Just throw some toys and cookies around and play Spongebob. Kids just sit around, sleep, and punch each other, right? Right?
gosh you guys all seem so mature…kids/partner…sounds like sci-fi me…both my parents were working when i was a kid and i would spend much time at their office after school since no one was home…for the longest time i didn’t even have a computer at home…lol…there were times when there was no space for a desk in my room coz it was so tiny….kids these days do grow up in relative luxury..
I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want kids. I mean what the hell are you going to do in your 50s? Be that the old creepy dude at the club? To each his own, I guess.
But if you are thinking kids I would suggest trying right away. So many people think it’s like flipping a switch and bam you have a kid. Many people have issues having kids and once you pass 30 it’s gets harder and harder. And then there’s miscarriages which happen in about 50% of pregnancies (again this number rises with age). Take that into consideration and you can go from a hesitant 30 ya to desperate 35 ya looking very quickly.
Mid to late 20s, got married about a year ago. When we got married, the wifey wanted to wait atleast 4-5 years and have kids in early 30s. but for the past month she says she sees signs that we should start trying… alotta pressure from both of our moms, all our cousins and friends are having babies, my brother just had a baby boy a couple of days ago, we ended up going to vegas out of the blue last weekend (we had planned we’d go before we had kids). And on top of that, the fact that some of our cousins/friends are trying but can’t have babies scares the crap out of her..
i want kids, but i still think we should wait atleast a year before we start tying.. we’ve only been married a year and had a long distance relationship so i feel we should spend more time alone before we start a family. I know she feels the same way but then gets all emotional when she sees one of her “signs”…
yea the female biological clock is highly susceptible to peer pressure and easily triggered by fear. I know 1 guy, was a mutual friend, that actually used this to scare a girl into leaving her bf (they were together for 3 years and were the happiest couple I knew), then he tried to pursue her himself. She had just crossed age 30 around that time. He wasn’t successful getting her, but it destroyed the original couple.
Irrational.
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So, if both parents work, what do you do with the kid when you are out? Day care?
My parents were both business owners and not home a lot, so we had a live in nanny until I was about 3 or 4, then she moved out but stayed with us full time to look after me and as the house keeper.
I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want kids. I mean what the hell are you going to do in your 50s? Be that the old creepy dude at the club? To each his own, I guess.
There are a ton more options than kids or be creepy. Granted, most people are that uninspired, unoriginal and pathetic. But there are tons who aren’t that way. Things you can do range from Gary at http://everything-everywhere.com/ who basically travels full time and runs a travel blog (he’s now sponsored, orignally it just started off as him traveling). He loves every minute of him, I’ve spoken to him and others who’ve met him. When I was ultra running, I’d frequently race with active 40 and 50 something childless couples that are still a part of that social scene and constantly travel and enjoy the same things they did when they were 20. They’re fit as hell too and don’t look a day over 30. I think its great to see these people still enjoying life and having social lives outside of their homes. Personally, I think it’s kind of depressing to see how many couples get married then cut themselves off from the outside world together. They all say they won’t, but in the end they mostly do. Also, realize that if you have kids when you’re 30, those kids will be 20ish when you’re 50, so while you’re asking “What will you do when you’re 50?”, realize you’ll be seeing those kids about 3 times a year while they’re in college after sacrificing your social lives for them. You’d quite likely be much more lonely than the couples still living their lives.
As a stepfather to one, father to one, and another one due in 8 weeks, I can answer your question pretty well I think. The reason I say that is because we made the decision to have both kids due to the biological clock. My wife turned 35 yesterday. To be quite frank about it, we were in no position and had no business having kids just yet. I’m a year removed from undergrad (yes I’m younger, but I didn’t go to college right away either), and we are pretty much broke. However, we know the risks associated with over 35 births and it was pretty much my call as to whether I wanted to risk never having a child. I decided that having a family was most important to me, and that I would work my butt off to improve my situation to the best of my ability.
The biggest problem we have is that we are financially strapped. It puts a strain on our marriage. We fight at times because we are unable to do things with the kids, however, they are very young so they don’t know the difference between a trip to Disney and a trip to the park up the street…yet. If you are financially stable then I say go for it. If your marriage is healthy I don’t believe kids will destroy it. It’s those who are struggling and think kids will “bring them closer” that fall apart.
Kids are not that bad. It is true that your life will revolve around them. We had our first date last night for her birthday in 7 months (we live an hour away from all family). It is true that you will constantly worry about them. (Are they ok, are they going to get sick, are they going to be socially accepted and confident, are they going to be smart, are we going to have enough money to send them to a good school, etc).
It is also true that you never know what it truly means to love someone until you have one.
At this point, I can’t say I want any kids or have any desired to have any in the future. Call it irresponsbility or whatever you want, but I’d have enough trouble taking care of a pet let alone another human being.
people who are on the fence about kids, should try raising a dog first. Feeding, walking, can’t leave it alone, maintenance this, maintenance that.. it’s almost like raising a mini-kid, except much easier & much cheaper
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people who are on the fence about kids, should try raising a dog first. Feeding, walking, can’t leave it alone, maintenance this, maintenance that.. it’s almost like raising a mini-kid, except much easier & much cheaper
i think i like dogs more than i do humans….is that bad?
No… I go through my day thinking about how so many people are incredibly incompetent and why they seem to have better jobs than I do.
It’s tough to hate on a dog though. When I’m really bored at home I find myself searching for chocolate labs that are available for adoption/sale but then remember that I travel nearly 100% right now and can’t have one.
its a nice theory to “have a pet first” to test the waters…but its not the same…
your level of attachment to a pet is nothing like a child…yes, theres hard work associated with both, but the level of willingness and commitment is exponentially greater for a life that you’ve created, especially when you see the spitting image of yourself in it
ive never heard any stories of pet owners giving up an organ to save their pet…although..im sure someone on this forum will be able to prove me wrong..
its a nice theory to “have a pet first” to test the waters…but its not the same…
your level of attachment to a pet is nothing like a child…yes, theres hard work associated with both, but the level of willingness and commitment is exponentially greater for a life that you’ve created, especially when you see the spitting image of yourself in it
ive never heard any stories of pet owners giving up an organ to save their pet…although..im sure someone on this forum will be able to prove me wrong..
Have you ever someone that’s a serious dog lover? It’s a whole other level…..
Have you ever someone that’s a serious dog lover? It’s a whole other level…..
The is a woman in my office, her entire office is filled with pictures of her dogs (well over a dozen pics), then she has just a couple pictures of her husband and kids.
the level of willingness and commitment is exponentially greater for a life that you’ve created, especially when you see the spitting image of yourself in it
Glad you enjoy being a father, but I have to ask how does your stepchild feel about this attitude? Is adoption a bad idea? Always better to have a kid with your genetic code? Serious questions.
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cat is needy?? damn. They mostly keep to themselves, just got to feed and clean the litter box. Unless you’ve spoiled it rotten
And people do get very attached to their pets. Obviously a child is different, but you also have much higher legal responsibility to a child
I dunno, just having an animal around to rely on me for food and water and stuff cramps my style. I like to take off for days at a time on weekends and vacations with short notice and now I always have to put out extra food for this cat and get someone to check on it every couple days or whatever. I definitely prefer the indepenedence.
Have you ever someone that’s a serious dog lover? It’s a whole other level…..
The is a woman in my office, her entire office is filled with pictures of her dogs (well over a dozen pics), then she has just a couple pictures of her husband and kids.
I saw this once. Woman had 20 some pictures of her dog and only one of her husband. But it’s only because the husband was in the photo with the dog. Really makes me feel bad for the guy.
the level of willingness and commitment is exponentially greater for a life that you’ve created, especially when you see the spitting image of yourself in it
Glad you enjoy being a father, but I have to ask how does your stepchild feel about this attitude? Is adoption a bad idea? Always better to have a kid with your genetic code? Serious questions.
always someone who must take it to a ridiculous level..because i suggest that theres more emotional attachment to a child than a dog we’ve got to analyze it to twist my words because i used the word “created” into, if its not genetically connected then its not as good meaning all adopted and step children are worth less…sounds like some of our members of congress that fight for inequality of anything and everything just to fight for something
but, to answer your question..how does he feel about it? well he’s four and doesn’t understand the meaning of the word attitude, nor creation or spitting image, so i’d say he’s indifferent
but by definition then, are you suggesting that adopted children are equivalent to animals?
Even if a child doesn’t have your genetic material in them, they often adapt your ideas and personalities. Not 100% of course, but even genetically they are only 1/2 and 1/2. You see yourself reflected in the children you attempt to raise.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some chemical code that makes people more protective of their own offspring, but the more time you spend helping form a person, the more attached you become.
You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???
Even if a child doesn’t have your genetic material in them, they often adapt your ideas and personalities. Not 100% of course, but even genetically they are only 1/2 and 1/2. You see yourself reflected in the children you attempt to raise.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some chemical code that makes people more protective of their own offspring, but the more time you spend helping form a person, the more attached you become.
100% agree…had i have known each word would be scrutinized for political correctness i would have been more careful..
Adopted children are held in higher regard than pets because people value humans over non-human animals. I wonder if society will become super liberal one day and this will be no longer true…
yep. I may quit my job and open a day care. Sounds a good business.
The owner of the daycare where my daughter goes drives a 6 Series convertible and the manager drives an E Class. Initial investment is not insignificant though. Start-up costs for Goddard are about $700,000 minimum and $150,000 has to be equity.
You can fondle the cube, but it will not respond.
Some of the day care places near where I live charge over $20k per year. Wtf? Maybe this is worth looking into. I mean, how hard can it be? Just throw some toys and cookies around and play Spongebob. Kids just sit around, sleep, and punch each other, right? Right?
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gosh you guys all seem so mature…kids/partner…sounds like sci-fi me…both my parents were working when i was a kid and i would spend much time at their office after school since no one was home…for the longest time i didn’t even have a computer at home…lol…there were times when there was no space for a desk in my room coz it was so tiny….kids these days do grow up in relative luxury..
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I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want kids. I mean what the hell are you going to do in your 50s? Be that the old creepy dude at the club? To each his own, I guess.
But if you are thinking kids I would suggest trying right away. So many people think it’s like flipping a switch and bam you have a kid. Many people have issues having kids and once you pass 30 it’s gets harder and harder. And then there’s miscarriages which happen in about 50% of pregnancies (again this number rises with age). Take that into consideration and you can go from a hesitant 30 ya to desperate 35 ya looking very quickly.
Mid to late 20s, got married about a year ago. When we got married, the wifey wanted to wait atleast 4-5 years and have kids in early 30s. but for the past month she says she sees signs that we should start trying… alotta pressure from both of our moms, all our cousins and friends are having babies, my brother just had a baby boy a couple of days ago, we ended up going to vegas out of the blue last weekend (we had planned we’d go before we had kids). And on top of that, the fact that some of our cousins/friends are trying but can’t have babies scares the crap out of her..
i want kids, but i still think we should wait atleast a year before we start tying.. we’ve only been married a year and had a long distance relationship so i feel we should spend more time alone before we start a family. I know she feels the same way but then gets all emotional when she sees one of her “signs”…
yea the female biological clock is highly susceptible to peer pressure and easily triggered by fear. I know 1 guy, was a mutual friend, that actually used this to scare a girl into leaving her bf (they were together for 3 years and were the happiest couple I knew), then he tried to pursue her himself. She had just crossed age 30 around that time. He wasn’t successful getting her, but it destroyed the original couple.
Irrational.
Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and greatest weakness.
My parents were both business owners and not home a lot, so we had a live in nanny until I was about 3 or 4, then she moved out but stayed with us full time to look after me and as the house keeper.
There are a ton more options than kids or be creepy. Granted, most people are that uninspired, unoriginal and pathetic. But there are tons who aren’t that way. Things you can do range from Gary at http://everything-everywhere.com/ who basically travels full time and runs a travel blog (he’s now sponsored, orignally it just started off as him traveling). He loves every minute of him, I’ve spoken to him and others who’ve met him. When I was ultra running, I’d frequently race with active 40 and 50 something childless couples that are still a part of that social scene and constantly travel and enjoy the same things they did when they were 20. They’re fit as hell too and don’t look a day over 30. I think its great to see these people still enjoying life and having social lives outside of their homes. Personally, I think it’s kind of depressing to see how many couples get married then cut themselves off from the outside world together. They all say they won’t, but in the end they mostly do. Also, realize that if you have kids when you’re 30, those kids will be 20ish when you’re 50, so while you’re asking “What will you do when you’re 50?”, realize you’ll be seeing those kids about 3 times a year while they’re in college after sacrificing your social lives for them. You’d quite likely be much more lonely than the couples still living their lives.
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
Yeah…all this “real life” stuff is depressing. I need to stay in the “Investments” subforum.
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As a stepfather to one, father to one, and another one due in 8 weeks, I can answer your question pretty well I think. The reason I say that is because we made the decision to have both kids due to the biological clock. My wife turned 35 yesterday. To be quite frank about it, we were in no position and had no business having kids just yet. I’m a year removed from undergrad (yes I’m younger, but I didn’t go to college right away either), and we are pretty much broke. However, we know the risks associated with over 35 births and it was pretty much my call as to whether I wanted to risk never having a child. I decided that having a family was most important to me, and that I would work my butt off to improve my situation to the best of my ability.
The biggest problem we have is that we are financially strapped. It puts a strain on our marriage. We fight at times because we are unable to do things with the kids, however, they are very young so they don’t know the difference between a trip to Disney and a trip to the park up the street…yet. If you are financially stable then I say go for it. If your marriage is healthy I don’t believe kids will destroy it. It’s those who are struggling and think kids will “bring them closer” that fall apart.
Kids are not that bad. It is true that your life will revolve around them. We had our first date last night for her birthday in 7 months (we live an hour away from all family). It is true that you will constantly worry about them. (Are they ok, are they going to get sick, are they going to be socially accepted and confident, are they going to be smart, are we going to have enough money to send them to a good school, etc).
It is also true that you never know what it truly means to love someone until you have one.
pdub, you are a good man!!!
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I suddenly remember a nice quote : having a child is like having your heart beat outside your body for the rest of your life.
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At this point, I can’t say I want any kids or have any desired to have any in the future. Call it irresponsbility or whatever you want, but I’d have enough trouble taking care of a pet let alone another human being.
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people who are on the fence about kids, should try raising a dog first. Feeding, walking, can’t leave it alone, maintenance this, maintenance that.. it’s almost like raising a mini-kid, except much easier & much cheaper
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This is a solid plan.
i think i like dogs more than i do humans….is that bad?
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No… I go through my day thinking about how so many people are incredibly incompetent and why they seem to have better jobs than I do.
It’s tough to hate on a dog though. When I’m really bored at home I find myself searching for chocolate labs that are available for adoption/sale but then remember that I travel nearly 100% right now and can’t have one.
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its a nice theory to “have a pet first” to test the waters…but its not the same…
your level of attachment to a pet is nothing like a child…yes, theres hard work associated with both, but the level of willingness and commitment is exponentially greater for a life that you’ve created, especially when you see the spitting image of yourself in it
ive never heard any stories of pet owners giving up an organ to save their pet…although..im sure someone on this forum will be able to prove me wrong..
I inherited a cat, and sometimes I feel like it’s too needy and too much responsibility. Probably does not bode well for kids.
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
cat is needy?? damn. They mostly keep to themselves, just got to feed and clean the litter box. Unless you’ve spoiled it rotten
And people do get very attached to their pets. Obviously a child is different, but you also have much higher legal responsibility to a child
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Have you ever someone that’s a serious dog lover? It’s a whole other level…..
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The is a woman in my office, her entire office is filled with pictures of her dogs (well over a dozen pics), then she has just a couple pictures of her husband and kids.
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Glad you enjoy being a father, but I have to ask how does your stepchild feel about this attitude? Is adoption a bad idea? Always better to have a kid with your genetic code? Serious questions.
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
I dunno, just having an animal around to rely on me for food and water and stuff cramps my style. I like to take off for days at a time on weekends and vacations with short notice and now I always have to put out extra food for this cat and get someone to check on it every couple days or whatever. I definitely prefer the indepenedence.
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
I saw this once. Woman had 20 some pictures of her dog and only one of her husband. But it’s only because the husband was in the photo with the dog. Really makes me feel bad for the guy.
I used to smoke pot and go to class.
Sneak in ten minutes late with a bullsh*t excuse.
Slink down low at my desk.
Pray to god nobody asked me any questions.
I was the best teacher ever.
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always someone who must take it to a ridiculous level..because i suggest that theres more emotional attachment to a child than a dog we’ve got to analyze it to twist my words because i used the word “created” into, if its not genetically connected then its not as good meaning all adopted and step children are worth less…sounds like some of our members of congress that fight for inequality of anything and everything just to fight for something
but, to answer your question..how does he feel about it? well he’s four and doesn’t understand the meaning of the word attitude, nor creation or spitting image, so i’d say he’s indifferent
but by definition then, are you suggesting that adopted children are equivalent to animals?
Even if a child doesn’t have your genetic material in them, they often adapt your ideas and personalities. Not 100% of course, but even genetically they are only 1/2 and 1/2. You see yourself reflected in the children you attempt to raise.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some chemical code that makes people more protective of their own offspring, but the more time you spend helping form a person, the more attached you become.
You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???
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100% agree…had i have known each word would be scrutinized for political correctness i would have been more careful..
Adopted children are held in higher regard than pets because people value humans over non-human animals. I wonder if society will become super liberal one day and this will be no longer true…
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