Below site could be helpful. I have been taking a bit of fish oil for a few years and I notice a difference in soreness after working out (been crossfitting for a couple years). My blood work looks really good, but it has for a while now. I eat pretty clean: fruits, veggies, meat and dairy during the week…ice cream and alchohol on weekends. Still look like sh!t if I do not sleep enough or drink a bottle of Jamo and smoke a pack of Dunhills, though.
A: Our general recommendations are to aim for around 2-4 grams of EPA/DHA per day. However, if you eat lots of wild-caught salmon, grass-fed beef and other natural sources of omega-3 fatty acids, and generally avoid sources of omega-6 (like vegetable oils, factory-farmed meat, nuts and seeds), you may not need any fish oil supplementation at all.
Q: Are there any contraindications for taking fish oil?
A: Because fish oil capsules have an effect on reducing the stickiness of platelets, it is recommended that if you have any of the following conditions, that you see your physician to discuss whether you should take fish oil capsules:
-You have a bleeding tendency
-You are on blood thinning medications
-You are about to have surgery
Of course, before starting any new medication or supplement, it is always a smart idea to consult your physician, right?
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
to all of you fish oil nutcases, how about you eat some actual fish instead of loading up on supplements? amazing…
Technically, fish oil are composed of fish oil (plus stuff) , and the right types of fish are also composed of fish oil(plus stuff).
The main question is which stuff is more hurtful to you. The best supplement companies supposedly filter the mercury out - that would be a point to the supplements IF true. Fish also will usually have extra calories - you may rather take them from chicken instead - it’s a matter of preference.
I’d rather eat fish as well, because it tastes better. When I can’t, I pop supps like its candy with no regrets - my guess is they’re safer than random fish anyway.
I remember that eating a can of tuna everyday (good protein source) may be too much mercury. I guess it’s easier to control our average intake of fish oil than to learn which kinds of fish have which amounts of EPA and DHA, which kinds have too much mercury and then tracking how much we eat overall - some people do that though.
From what I’ve read most studies say fish oil is good (caps or real fish) - the minority say fish oil is bad. brain-wash-your-face’s post seems to sum it up nicely. If you don’t take a lot of omega 6 and likes to eat fish you’re probably good to go - whoever wants to go really technical can track their ratios of Omega 6s against EPAs and DHAs (good luck!).
Not all fish oil supps are the same - it’s probably better to take the ones with a higher percentage of EPA and DHA so you don’t get extra cals from fat (unless you want them because your diet has too little fat or whatever)
From personal experience I’m not convinced fish oils really help much for stuff like eye bags. I think severe lack of sleep makes the eyes look bad no matter what. I like fish oil (or real fish) because supposedly “it’s good for you”.
I don’t really care much for eye bags (they make me look experienced), but I know eye creams kinda work - my wife used me once as a test monkey by applying cream to one of the eyes and not on the other, and we could tell there was some difference. The sales lady said that works much better once you use it all the time, so it must be true ;)
If you really need to look rested somewhere, and you’re “macho” enough, you might try some make-up. Just don’t tell the guys at the office…
to all of you fish oil nutcases, how about you eat some actual fish instead of loading up on supplements? amazing…
This combined with eating grass fed beef, free range chicken and avoiding vegetable (not olive or coconut) oils, grain fed meat and grains (bread, pasta, rice, etc.) in general would accomplish the same goal, with the added effects of eating healthier. I eat like that about 60-80% of the time, but to do it all the time would be a real PITA, so I’d rather take a couple pills. Fish oil is the only supplement I take. I get all my other nutrients from a normal diet.
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
to all of you fish oil nutcases, how about you eat some actual fish instead of loading up on supplements? amazing…
To get 4-5 grams of DHA/EPA combined it would be too difficult. Seriously, where do you go for lunch where you are eating fish, grass fed beef, etc. Too difficult, too expensive, too time consuming, and just not practical.
The link I posted on page 1 is the best fish oil. Ultra pure. It works and once again my blood work is off of the charts.
IMO the only supps that work are fish oil, creatine, high quality multi (although most is flushed).
@brain_wash_your_face - That’s a great approach. It’s just disturbing how many people spend big money on chemical supplements in the US instead of focusing on building a healthy diet. I love fish more than any other protein and eat it a few times every week, so just seemed strange to me how many people in the thread advocate the use of fish oil rather than trying to incorporate some delicious fresh fish in their diet
Any time one gets into a really frenetic discussion about optimal nutrition, I find myself wondering what part of what we *know* to be true about healthy eating is going to be completely reversed in the next 10-20 years of research.
10-15 years ago, the advice for losing weight and eating healthy was to stick to whole grains, lower fat intake, and eat a lot of pasta. Today the advice is to avoid carbs like the plague, eat fish (mercury, anyone?), etc..
I think it makes sense to monitor ones intake and what seems to improve well-being and functioning, but it sure is confusing to know what is really the right thing to do…
…sort of like talking to an asset manager.
You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???
The one constant: eat your veggies. This is the most important piece of advice I have glean about nutrition to date, first heard from my mom when I was 4 (at least, that’s the first time I remember).
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
@blake: I buy fresh fish at home from a good fish market and cook it; when I’m at a restaurant I’d rather have a seared halibut than fillet mignon. It’s not more difficult or impractical to incorporate a healthy dose of fish in your diet than any other ingredient really.
@bchad: before I start sounding like some fresh fish nazzi, gotta make it clear I am not recommending excessive fish diet to replace your other proteins or some other nutritional modification. My main point is that whetever dietary guidelines you feel like following, be sure to get your nutrition from actual food, not supplements. “Nutrition science” research can never change this simple truth
Fish oil is actual food…in that way it is distinct from multi-vitamins and various other supplements. It is similar to taking the skin off of chicken and just eating the protien part, but in reverse.
@bchad: before I start sounding like some fresh fish nazzi, gotta make it clear I am not recommending excessive fish diet to replace your other proteins or some other nutritional modification. My main point is that whetever dietary guidelines you feel like following, be sure to get your nutrition from actual food, not supplements. “Nutrition science” research can never change this simple truth
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I’m with you. I was just having some fun with my post.
You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???
I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I’ll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
Blake has inspired me to get back on the fish oil train. Good to see so many people focused on a healthy diet around here, I need to step up my game. Substituting pizza and beer for sleep and exercise the last several weeks has taken its toll.
Also, I’m surprised at how many missed the American Psycho reference. Makes me feel old.
Fish oil is actual food…in that way it is distinct from multi-vitamins and various other supplements. It is similar to taking the skin off of chicken and just eating the protien part, but in reverse.
Agree. Fish oil may even have the edge by filtering mercury out and what not.
Whey Protein actually may be the best source of protein. They take the protein from the milk, like some people eat just the whites from the egg.
Pasteurized milk is probably way safer than drinking straight from the cow, and cooked fish beats raw fish for safety as well.
Not every change in the way food is presented is akin to popping Tylenol as a coffee sweetener. Some items labeled as supplements are just food in different packages. Of course, it all depends on which company do you trust the most - food company X or supplement company Y - maybe one of them sells you stuff that isn’t on the label.
I like whole food because it tastes nice and fills me up. But in my opinion the most important point is the one Bchadwick pointed out - nutritional research seems to reverse itself to a great degree every few years. What I try to do, kinda, is to eat a little bit of everything, just to hedge my risks.
In a few years they may discover that water bottles release something that kills your sex drive, or that broccoli has a very strong correlation with some type of cancer. Who knows? I hope to be able to think “well, at least I didn’t eat that much of it”.
Water, sleep, avoiding caffeine. Also I recommend megadosing fish oil. I take 5 grams of fish oil a day. Great for your skin, heart, brain, etc.
Modern cuisine has greatly increased the ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fats in our diets. Many years ago, hunters and gatherers ate diets with close to a 1:1 ratio.
Taking fish oil is helpful, but you should know how much omega 3 fats you are taking in versus your omega 6 fats. Most people in the US have an overabundance of omega 6 fats, causing excessive inflammation, blood clotting, and cellular growth. If you intake a lot of omega 6 fats like corn oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, cottonseed oil, eat livestock that were fed grain, corn, and soy — you’re going to have to offset this intake with a lot of omega 3s. Best thing to do is avoid the bad oils completely and increase omega 3 intake when eating more meat. Grass fed livestock is the best to eat, but hard to find.
While our ancestors had a 1:1 omega 6: omega 3 ratio, a 4:1 ratio is ideal for modern day cuisine. Most americans range 15:1 to 25:1, putting them at high risk for heart disease, alzheimer’s, arthritis, autoimmune conditions, allergies, asthma, and cancer.
I don’t think you know what you are talking about man. I said I take 5 grams of fish oil a day which is the equivalent of 2.4 g of EPA, 1.5 g of DHA, and .9 g other omega-3s. That is considered to be a serious megadose. There are adverse effects of taking too many omega-3s. They dilute your blood seriously which can cause clotting problems, easy bruising, etc. A 4:1 ratio like you are suggesting is ridiculous. I don’t have time to do the math but think of a 2500 calorie daily intake and how many grams of omega-3s you would be taking in. My guess is what I take a day is probably in the 99th percentile of Americans. What you are suggesting is completely ridiculous and irresponsible.
haha! what!
my nutritionist said 4:1 — which is ridiculous and irresponsible?
what do you suggest?
Ask your “nutritionist” how much DHA and EPA they recommend per day which is the good part of omega-3s. And are you in Singapore or the US?
I am sorry but I believe you completely misunderstood the point.
Analti was referring to the ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3. That has absolutely nothing to do with calorie intake or DHA or EPA or what you particularly take. The only thing that counts here is a persons Omega 6 and Omega 3 intake and the ratio of those two.
And, YES, Analti was absolutely correct. Our ancestors used to have a 1:1 ratio and a 4:1 ratio would be ideal. Some papers even suggest a 2:1 ratio. Google is your friend:
Everyone seems to be OD ing on fish capsules…do you feel demonstrably better afterwards or is it a placebo effect?
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Below site could be helpful. I have been taking a bit of fish oil for a few years and I notice a difference in soreness after working out (been crossfitting for a couple years). My blood work looks really good, but it has for a while now. I eat pretty clean: fruits, veggies, meat and dairy during the week…ice cream and alchohol on weekends. Still look like sh!t if I do not sleep enough or drink a bottle of Jamo and smoke a pack of Dunhills, though.
http://whole9life.com/fish-oil-faq/
Q: How much fish oil should I take?
A: Our general recommendations are to aim for around 2-4 grams of EPA/DHA per day. However, if you eat lots of wild-caught salmon, grass-fed beef and other natural sources of omega-3 fatty acids, and generally avoid sources of omega-6 (like vegetable oils, factory-farmed meat, nuts and seeds), you may not need any fish oil supplementation at all.
Q: Are there any contraindications for taking fish oil?
A: Because fish oil capsules have an effect on reducing the stickiness of platelets, it is recommended that if you have any of the following conditions, that you see your physician to discuss whether you should take fish oil capsules:
-You have a bleeding tendency
-You are on blood thinning medications
-You are about to have surgery
Of course, before starting any new medication or supplement, it is always a smart idea to consult your physician, right?
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
to all of you fish oil nutcases, how about you eat some actual fish instead of loading up on supplements? amazing…
Now there’s a fishy idea!
You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???
Technically, fish oil are composed of fish oil (plus stuff) , and the right types of fish are also composed of fish oil(plus stuff).
The main question is which stuff is more hurtful to you. The best supplement companies supposedly filter the mercury out - that would be a point to the supplements IF true. Fish also will usually have extra calories - you may rather take them from chicken instead - it’s a matter of preference.
I’d rather eat fish as well, because it tastes better. When I can’t, I pop supps like its candy with no regrets - my guess is they’re safer than random fish anyway.
I remember that eating a can of tuna everyday (good protein source) may be too much mercury. I guess it’s easier to control our average intake of fish oil than to learn which kinds of fish have which amounts of EPA and DHA, which kinds have too much mercury and then tracking how much we eat overall - some people do that though.
From what I’ve read most studies say fish oil is good (caps or real fish) - the minority say fish oil is bad. brain-wash-your-face’s post seems to sum it up nicely. If you don’t take a lot of omega 6 and likes to eat fish you’re probably good to go - whoever wants to go really technical can track their ratios of Omega 6s against EPAs and DHAs (good luck!).
Not all fish oil supps are the same - it’s probably better to take the ones with a higher percentage of EPA and DHA so you don’t get extra cals from fat (unless you want them because your diet has too little fat or whatever)
From personal experience I’m not convinced fish oils really help much for stuff like eye bags. I think severe lack of sleep makes the eyes look bad no matter what. I like fish oil (or real fish) because supposedly “it’s good for you”.
I don’t really care much for eye bags (they make me look experienced), but I know eye creams kinda work - my wife used me once as a test monkey by applying cream to one of the eyes and not on the other, and we could tell there was some difference. The sales lady said that works much better once you use it all the time, so it must be true ;)
If you really need to look rested somewhere, and you’re “macho” enough, you might try some make-up. Just don’t tell the guys at the office…
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This combined with eating grass fed beef, free range chicken and avoiding vegetable (not olive or coconut) oils, grain fed meat and grains (bread, pasta, rice, etc.) in general would accomplish the same goal, with the added effects of eating healthier. I eat like that about 60-80% of the time, but to do it all the time would be a real PITA, so I’d rather take a couple pills. Fish oil is the only supplement I take. I get all my other nutrients from a normal diet.
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
To get 4-5 grams of DHA/EPA combined it would be too difficult. Seriously, where do you go for lunch where you are eating fish, grass fed beef, etc. Too difficult, too expensive, too time consuming, and just not practical.
The link I posted on page 1 is the best fish oil. Ultra pure. It works and once again my blood work is off of the charts.
IMO the only supps that work are fish oil, creatine, high quality multi (although most is flushed).
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Oh, and HGH…HGH works really well.
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
@brain_wash_your_face - That’s a great approach. It’s just disturbing how many people spend big money on chemical supplements in the US instead of focusing on building a healthy diet. I love fish more than any other protein and eat it a few times every week, so just seemed strange to me how many people in the thread advocate the use of fish oil rather than trying to incorporate some delicious fresh fish in their diet
Any time one gets into a really frenetic discussion about optimal nutrition, I find myself wondering what part of what we *know* to be true about healthy eating is going to be completely reversed in the next 10-20 years of research.
10-15 years ago, the advice for losing weight and eating healthy was to stick to whole grains, lower fat intake, and eat a lot of pasta. Today the advice is to avoid carbs like the plague, eat fish (mercury, anyone?), etc..
I think it makes sense to monitor ones intake and what seems to improve well-being and functioning, but it sure is confusing to know what is really the right thing to do…
…sort of like talking to an asset manager.
You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???
Studying With
The one constant: eat your veggies. This is the most important piece of advice I have glean about nutrition to date, first heard from my mom when I was 4 (at least, that’s the first time I remember).
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
Seems like once scientists crack the code for the optimal nutritional balance, we can just make optimal nutrition paste and eat that forever.
“I’m a CPA! I got money b***h!”
@blake: I buy fresh fish at home from a good fish market and cook it; when I’m at a restaurant I’d rather have a seared halibut than fillet mignon. It’s not more difficult or impractical to incorporate a healthy dose of fish in your diet than any other ingredient really.
i hear ppl try to avoid bread/pasta / rice in their diets…what is so bad about them?
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@bchad: before I start sounding like some fresh fish nazzi, gotta make it clear I am not recommending excessive fish diet to replace your other proteins or some other nutritional modification. My main point is that whetever dietary guidelines you feel like following, be sure to get your nutrition from actual food, not supplements. “Nutrition science” research can never change this simple truth
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Fish oil is actual food…in that way it is distinct from multi-vitamins and various other supplements. It is similar to taking the skin off of chicken and just eating the protien part, but in reverse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_oil
“Some people make shoes. Some people make houses. We make money and people are willing pay us a lot to make money for them.”
I’m with you. I was just having some fun with my post.
You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???
Do you also reach work at 11.30am?
Your secretary is totally into you. You should take her out.
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Blake has inspired me to get back on the fish oil train. Good to see so many people focused on a healthy diet around here, I need to step up my game. Substituting pizza and beer for sleep and exercise the last several weeks has taken its toll.
Also, I’m surprised at how many missed the American Psycho reference. Makes me feel old.
Agree. Fish oil may even have the edge by filtering mercury out and what not.
Whey Protein actually may be the best source of protein. They take the protein from the milk, like some people eat just the whites from the egg.
Pasteurized milk is probably way safer than drinking straight from the cow, and cooked fish beats raw fish for safety as well.
Not every change in the way food is presented is akin to popping Tylenol as a coffee sweetener. Some items labeled as supplements are just food in different packages. Of course, it all depends on which company do you trust the most - food company X or supplement company Y - maybe one of them sells you stuff that isn’t on the label.
I like whole food because it tastes nice and fills me up. But in my opinion the most important point is the one Bchadwick pointed out - nutritional research seems to reverse itself to a great degree every few years. What I try to do, kinda, is to eat a little bit of everything, just to hedge my risks.
In a few years they may discover that water bottles release something that kills your sex drive, or that broccoli has a very strong correlation with some type of cancer. Who knows? I hope to be able to think “well, at least I didn’t eat that much of it”.
From what I’ve read, current research says they’re perfectly fine, but hating on carbs still sells a lot of books.
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I am sorry but I believe you completely misunderstood the point.
Analti was referring to the ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3. That has absolutely nothing to do with calorie intake or DHA or EPA or what you particularly take. The only thing that counts here is a persons Omega 6 and Omega 3 intake and the ratio of those two.
And, YES, Analti was absolutely correct. Our ancestors used to have a 1:1 ratio and a 4:1 ratio would be ideal. Some papers even suggest a 2:1 ratio. Google is your friend:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12442909
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