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People are right that itera is a jerk

I sent him a PM asking for advice and he ignored me as usual

I’d better not catch you in Milwaukee!!

bchad wrote:

You saw the post?  Was it indeed funny?

It was one of my rants. I can assure you I did not use any foul language, racial slur, nor post any private personal info. A certain someone got his feelings hurt and selfishly nuked it.  Far from ban worthy imo based on the unnuked bile spewed up and down water cooler.

Now for the record, am I really on death row with my AF membership? I think we can both agree my drunken profane and racial rants have ceased to null. I do enjoy being a member here, kicking in my .02, and encouraging these young pups about to settle their first trade.

If the board feels I’m too abrasive still, I’ll bow out for another sabbatical. 

milwaukian wrote:

People are right that itera is a jerk

I sent him a PM asking for advice and he ignored me as usual

I’d better not catch you in Milwaukee!!

You at Stark?

So “Boardmember” just means moderator, essentially?  Lol.

milwaukian wrote:

People are right that itera is a jerk

I sent him a PM asking for advice and he ignored me as usual

I’d better not catch you in Milwaukee!!

i sent bchad a PM, no response.

the ‘boardmembers’ dont want to be be bothered by BO slaves

"You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???"

RIP

You don’t messag them, they’ll message you.  I’ve been messaged about my manners a few times from a few of the boardmembers, including the chairman.

Board members are basically moderators, but there actually are other governance tasks that get lumped in.  It’s conceivable that non-board moderators might be created in the future, but so far, the tasks are combined.

I have noticed that CvM has two distinct personalities here, and have often suspected (based on the hour and other things he’s said) that the unsavory one is alcohol-driven.  I respect CvMs willingness to recognize that and confirm it and say he’s taking action to control that guy.  Good for you. We all have our demons and I respect your willingness to try to get that one under control.

The other personality is generally helpful or at least amusing and I think has helped make AF a better place.  My goal has been to try to stamp out the bad stuff while making it possible for the good stuff to stay.

I’ve noticed that CvM-the-id hasn’t appeared in a while and appreciate that.  The last time it appeared it was really bad and I remember saying “if this continues, I can’t really defend it anymore,” which is where I believe the comment from itera came from about being on ban watch.  Personally, I think CvM has cleaned up his act recently so I am not so ready to hit the button as I was when I said it.  

CvM and itera have a set of disagreements that go back a ways, and so while it isn’t a very good idea to antagonize a board member, it also isn’t fit for board members to ban people because of personal dislike (one of the reasons for having multiple board members).  In practice, it can be tricky to balance that, but we try our best, or at least I do.  I think nuking a post or nuking a thread is often a way to deal with a specific incident without raising it to a ban discussion, and so that may well have been the appropriate action.

Generally a ban requires a consensus among the board members but does not explicitly require unanimity.  In practice, all bannings so far have been unanimous.

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

Hahaha I literally thought itera was on this:

https://www.cfainstitute.org/about/governance/leadership/Pages/current_b...

And I was so depressed about that fact.  Thank god that isn’t the case. 

As a sidebar, how can his behavior to candidates be condoned as a “boardmember” of this site?  He antagonizes and mocks current candidates.

igor555 wrote:

milwaukian wrote:

People are right that itera is a jerk

I sent him a PM asking for advice and he ignored me as usual

I’d better not catch you in Milwaukee!!

i sent bchad a PM, no response.

the ‘boardmembers’ dont want to be be bothered by BO slaves

I just didn’t know what to say in response and didn’t think the topic was urgent so wanted to think about it.  It’s not like you’re getting bad service from your monthly AF dues or anything. 

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

Itera and I do have a past, no doubt there.  All I’ve asked to squash the beef was some constructive criticism rather than outright narcassistic despair when these young pups ask questions about breaking into this that and the other thing.  

He mocked me rather than come to any agreement, so we continue have beef.  These cinderella stories of young pups making it against all odds (one a few posts down) warm my heart and foster inspiration for others.  

Many, like myself, didn’t have the brains or means to attend a Top 2 institution; so I made up for it by working hard.  Had I listened to people like Itera instead of uplifting optimists, I’d probably be still washing cars like I did in the 9th grade.  

I overcame all adversity through hard work, persistance, and most importantly; luck.  If it can happen to me, who’s to say it won’t happen to others.

"You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???"

RIP

CvM mostly restated things that itera himself posted at some point or another. No other personal information was revealed. No racial slurs, profanities, or other unacceptable language was used. Other comments on AF, including some that I have made, that were more abrasive, have not been censored. The AF rules (like many good forum rules) are somewhat subjective, however, based on this comparison, my conclusion is that the standard is not uniformly applied and that the decision to censor this post had more to do with its subject than with its content.

That is my account anyway. I am not advocating any change in forum policy and am generally happy with the level of forum moderation, since we all know that board resources are limited.

“Visit the Water Cooler forum on Analyst Forum. It is the best forum.”
- Everyone

We board members are human beings too.  We make mistakes some times; we get hot headed at times.

I know that when Blake and I were going at it, I often stepped back and asked other board members what they thought about something, to make sure that my own frustrations were not clouding my judgement.  I saw that coming from a ways away, and it’s one reason that I suggested to chad that we expand the board with new members a few months before we ended up doing the Blake ban.

It is often true that there are a lot of posts that fall within grey areas and some calls are tricky, so in general we board members try not to second-guess each other and are grateful that we don’t have to patrol the entire forum single-handedly.  One or two posts that perhaps should not have been deleted is not really a problem in the big scheme of things.  A consistent pattern of questionable actions might be cause for rethinking.  Each of the board members has their individual biases of what they consider abusive, and my approach has generally been to try to call it out in the thread rather than delete, although epithets and that stuff may merit edits or the button.  In general, the best option for a moderator that wonders if they are pressing delete for the right reason is to check with or talk to another moderator, and we often do that.

I agree that itera is often kind of abrasive to naïve new posters, and it’s certainly not my style or preference, but it’s also true that the financial industry has a lot of people like that in it, so getting some exposure to the required skin-thickening is not all bad.

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

when do the mod positions come up for voting?

"You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???"

RIP

Currently, we serve at the pleasure of the site owner, who consults the community when he wants to change the board.

I’ve brought up the idea of having board member terms (with possibility of reappointment), but it never got very far.  It may be time to discuss this again at the next full conference call.

Although it may appear like the board is self serving here, it’s not as if there are lots of goodies that the board receives. It’s mostly extra work in selective clipping/editing and having to field the complaints of a bunch of people.  It can be frustrating to see free ipads and amazon certificates being raffled off to AF members and realizing that for all the extra work we put in and crap we have to deal with, all this does is make us ineligible for one of the few concretely valuable things that comes out of AF.

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

Free iPads?

There are occasional raffles in exchange for filling out surveys and such.   Every entrant has a chance to win, and I can confirm that the winners are chosen through a random process without favoritism (I can’t confirm that the rewards are actually sent to the winners, but have no reason to doubt it).  Boardmembers are ineligible to win.

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

This thread turned fascinating. It should be moved to the Water Cooler. Or, if we’re giving feedback on iteracom, perhaps to the Feedback Forum.

FWIW, I’m fairly certain if you were to get itera to a bar to have a drink he would be a *****cat. And probably turn bright red due to Asians’ inability to metabolize alcohol. 

Sweep, its ok I’ll be a sport and bring him some Zantac for that

'A flute with no holes, is not a flute. And a donut with no hole, is a danish'

http://www.analystforum.com/forums/water-cooler/91334180

It’s a shame this showdown didn’t happen.

man-to-man, man-to-frog or whatever

lol

Damn. Wish I lived anywhere near NYC. I’d be free lunching the crap out of anyone who offered. Alas…Harlem really is a trek for me. 3500km.

Also that place looks amazing.

I personally like how CvM and itera get into heated exchanges, most of their issues are about succeeding in finance whether or not it’s from the top or grinding it out from the bottom.

I remember itera mocking candidates in each subforum for every level of the CFA program but it never felt like a personal attack. The message he brings is generally sour but it’s intended for those IT to FO seekers who might need that reality check from day 1 of the process.  CvM brings the opposite, which helps balance the overall perspective.


Galli wrote:

I personally like how CvM and itera get into heated exchanges, most of their issues are about succeeding in finance whether or not it’s from the top or grinding it out from the bottom.

I remember itera mocking candidates in each subforum for every level of the CFA program but it never felt like a personal attack. The message he brings is generally sour but it’s intended for those IT to FO seekers who might need that reality check from day 1 of the process.  CvM brings the opposite, which helps balance the overall perspective.


Pretty much. One is “Aim for the Moon and land among the stars”, and the other is “This is a wakeup call. You aren’t working hard enough”. Different motivatiors for different folks.


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I don’t mock candidates, it’s just sarcasm. like when someone says something egregious like “oh yea, the CFA program will get you a job”

Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and greatest weakness.

You know, the first day I got my charter, one of my sponsors said, “Do you know what that gets you?”  I said, “No, what?”  He said, “That fancy charter and $3.50 will get you a large beverage at Starbucks.”

True story.

CFAvsMBA wrote:

You know, the first day I got my charter, one of my sponsors said, “Do you know what that gets you?”  I said, “No, what?”  He said, “That fancy charter and $3.50 will get you a large beverage at Starbucks.”

True story.

He was wrong, though.  Because that large tube that the charter comes in can be used to subdue a medim-sized bear if you encounter one.  Very useful if you find yourself in rural Canada (or Newfoundland).

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???

bchad wrote:

CFAvsMBA wrote:

You know, the first day I got my charter, one of my sponsors said, “Do you know what that gets you?”  I said, “No, what?”  He said, “That fancy charter and $3.50 will get you a large beverage at Starbucks.”

True story.

He was wrong, though.  Because that large tube that the charter comes in can be used to subdue a medim-sized bear if you encounter one.  Very useful if you find yourself in rural Canada (or Newfoundland).

Wet some toliet paper and shove it into the tube, giant spit wad shooter!

I finally got my CFA!!!

You want a quote?  Haven’t I written enough already???