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Exam date 23rd June?

Their fasting during exam preparation is their sacrifice. Trying to make it ease would be a blasphemy if the Catholics were concerned instead. But I don’t know anything about Islam.

Besides, this is certainly not a Muslim exam than an Anglo Protestant exam per se.

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TooDavistated wrote:

They should do a survey and see how muslims feel about that change

1- instead of having the exam early Ramadan, they will be spending the whole month of Ramadan + EID holidays studying :) 

2- 99% are obsesses about football. They will sure miss the world cup

3- I know so many muslims that did not fast on exam day and it was one day only. Now, they will have to deal with a whole month of studying while fasting! 

So, CFAI gives muslims more difficulty with the new exam date?

My feats:
12/Make the 1000th comment in the longest AF thread ever
https://www.analystforum.com/comment/91782543#comment-91782543
2/ Earn the CFA charter in 2018 https://www.analystforum.com/comment/91838098#comment-91838098

I’m disappointed anytime I see an organization placate a few vocal complainers, especially for what is essentially a non-issue (my understanding is that one can skip fasting for a day and make it up later plus a donation to the poor). This is particularly disappointing as I’m among those in the northern hemisphere who will now have to sacrifice an additional 20% of the summer to studying as a result of this change.

I don’t buy the “3 extra weeks of studying” reasoning as everybody calibrates their studying to the exam date.  This will have the same negligible effect on performace as if the CFAI released the curriculum materials 3 weeks earlier. 

They have the test on a Sunday for Orthodox Jews.

When we’re talking about it. I do not intend to offend anyone, just am debating.

An example of one IPS case study says a daughter who doesn’t live with her husband decided to take her child with her and is leaving her family. She needs nothing from her family except inherited money. Now, if it is in accordance with Islam or orthodox Jewish, I mean a minor problem is a timing of exam. I’m just curios.

I do not ask for the trust nor give it to you.

PierreCFA wrote:

TooDavistated wrote:

They should do a survey and see how muslims feel about that change

1- instead of having the exam early Ramadan, they will be spending the whole month of Ramadan + EID holidays studying :) 

2- 99% are obsesses about football. They will sure miss the world cup

3- I know so many muslims that did not fast on exam day and it was one day only. Now, they will have to deal with a whole month of studying while fasting! 

So, CFAI gives muslims more difficulty with the new exam date?

muslims will now have to study during the whole month of Ramadan, a month in which they will be fasting, in addition to doing other worshiping rituals and specifically during the last ten days of Ramadan where they pray after midnight for two to three hours. After Ramadan  comes eid holiday when muslims must gather with their families (similar to Christmas). 

How come this change helps muslims perform better in the exam?

Probably cause people *****ed about it being an issue, without fully thinking through the predicament they’d put themselves in if they pushed back the exam.

TooDavistated wrote:

PierreCFA wrote:

TooDavistated wrote:

They should do a survey and see how muslims feel about that change

1- instead of having the exam early Ramadan, they will be spending the whole month of Ramadan + EID holidays studying :) 

2- 99% are obsesses about football. They will sure miss the world cup

3- I know so many muslims that did not fast on exam day and it was one day only. Now, they will have to deal with a whole month of studying while fasting! 

So, CFAI gives muslims more difficulty with the new exam date?

muslims will now have to study during the whole month of Ramadan, a month in which they will be fasting, in addition to doing other worshiping rituals and specifically during the last ten days of Ramadan where they pray after midnight for two to three hours. After Ramadan  comes eid holiday when muslims must gather with their families (similar to Christmas). 

How come this change helps muslims perform better in the exam?

Yes, I concur. 

Now I think CFAI received some emails from muslim candidates, so they tried to do something. They could make exam date sooner but they were afraid people would complain because we would have less prepare days. So they delay exam date to 24 july.

Perhaps CFAI didnt anticipate the new exam date trouble muslim candidates.

My feats:
12/Make the 1000th comment in the longest AF thread ever
https://www.analystforum.com/comment/91782543#comment-91782543
2/ Earn the CFA charter in 2018 https://www.analystforum.com/comment/91838098#comment-91838098

heshoos wrote:

btw.. CFA does make an exception for Jewish people who observe Sabbath and can’t write exam on Saturdays…accomodating religious beliefs has been part of the CFAI longer than one might think…

really?  How do they accommodate  this…

heshoos wrote:

btw.. CFA does make an exception for Jewish people who observe Sabbath and can’t write exam on Saturdays…accomodating religious beliefs has been part of the CFAI longer than one might think…

really?  How do they accommodate  this…

ulanky wrote:

They have the test on a Sunday for Orthodox Jews.

This has zero impact on other test takers.

Total cluster-F… the day we walk out of the exam, the days are getting shorter… and miss NBA and WC finals…  Why not MAY, before Rhamadan???  PC run amok!!!

MR-STRESS wrote:

heshoos wrote:

btw.. CFA does make an exception for Jewish people who observe Sabbath and can’t write exam on Saturdays…accomodating religious beliefs has been part of the CFAI longer than one might think…

really?  How do they accommodate  this…

There is a link on their site to request for approval to appear for the examination on the following Sunday I believe.

Do you guys think we have a chance to push them to cancel the stupid decision that was made??

I really hope I won’t have to worry about that.

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TooDavistated wrote:

Do you guys think we have a chance to push them to cancel the stupid decision that was made??

Unlikely. They have to coordinate with testing facilities all over the world. I know that if I fail, I’m waiting until they move the exam back to early June. I’m just one person and won’t make a dent in CFAI’s bottom line, but I’m hoping many others will consider opting for the year after. The only color CFAI cares about is green and if enough of us don’t show up on the 23rd, they’ll get the hint.

But if I pass, I’ll probably forget about the whole thing and move on with my life!

TakeiFinale wrote:

It suddenly occurred to me that Russia World Cup 2018 starts on June 14, and the exams will be taking place exactly during the tournament. OMG, I’d better pass and get it done this year, 2018 would be the football year, NO CFA definitely.

+1

Nobody’s brought this point up:  Think how much more excruciating summer will be if you have to wait until August 28th or Septmber 4th to get those L3 scores.

The new exam date is not good for Muslims at all.

Don’t understand the logic behind the change.

Now Muslims will not be able to enjoy fasting in Ramadan or celebrate Feast. Add to that the World Cup 

Suddenly my hopes for an early tell increased.. This is some interesting ad-hoc governance.

Proposal: Let the L1 retakers sweat it out in October and move all exams to the end of the winter. First Tuesday of March?

16/1100 2%

Interesting,  thanks

TooDavistated wrote:

PierreCFA wrote:

TooDavistated wrote:

They should do a survey and see how muslims feel about that change

1- instead of having the exam early Ramadan, they will be spending the whole month of Ramadan + EID holidays studying :) 

2- 99% are obsesses about football. They will sure miss the world cup

3- I know so many muslims that did not fast on exam day and it was one day only. Now, they will have to deal with a whole month of studying while fasting! 

So, CFAI gives muslims more difficulty with the new exam date?

muslims will now have to study during the whole month of Ramadan, a month in which they will be fasting, in addition to doing other worshiping rituals and specifically during the last ten days of Ramadan where they pray after midnight for two to three hours. After Ramadan  comes eid holiday when muslims must gather with their families (similar to Christmas). 

How come this change helps muslims perform better in the exam?

I’m a Muslim and I sat for Level II June 2017 ( I think it was 9th of Ramadan ) while I was Fasting, and I Passed. I TOTALLY agree with your points above it will be harder next year for the reasons you had mentioned. If CFAI ask me I will say even let it tobe sooner ( before Ramadan) or keep it as it is in the mid of the month, it will be better than studying for all the month while fasting and spend the Eid holiday ( about one week before exam day) reviewing formulas, Mocks and secret sauce.  

folks we all can sit here and debate, at least let the steam out…but that will barely have a chance to be amended….

play your hand with the cards you are dealt and get on board !

my theory is that some Muslims not all, with all due respect, complained about the difficulty just to probably get extra edge… and if that happens than I completely agree CFAI sucks big time…as i say, i personally saw plenty muslims eating and drinking during the exam day, guess this is what the exception during fasting period is for..although there were some who were not eating or drinking…and i bet those are not the ones who complained as they took it as is…

bottom line…. whatever the CFAI is throwing, just make sure you catch it ! otherwise the freaking frustration is just gonna hurt your performance…

If anything, I would have preferred the exam to take place at the end of May as well. But it is what it is. I think Muslims should complain about the new date and explain that it does not really help them. The CFA board might then revisit this topic and opt for end of May (which would be ideal for most candidates). 

Should the exam take place on 23/06 I will have to disconnect my TV for a few weeks in June in order to not get distracted by the World Cup and the NHL Stanley Cup final. 

What about people who made major plans with the assumption of the exam being first week of June. There are people who spent a lot of money to go to the World Cup, even a few getting married around that time. They now have to push their education back an entire year or abandon their plans and take a solid hit financially. I’ll change my schedule accordingly but some people will face difficult circumstances…

dirkalish wrote:

What about people who made major plans with the assumption of the exam being first week of June. There are people who spent a lot of money to go to the World Cup, even a few getting married around that time. They now have to push their education back an entire year or abandon their plans and take a solid hit financially. I’ll change my schedule accordingly but some people will face difficult circumstances…

Actually a good point. I’d feel bad about the wedding point. In the end, you should wait until the date is announced, however, I can understand how you assume it’s 1st saturday in June as it always is. 

Cynical Man wrote:

They just need to make it available twice a year at least. The rooms can get just that big. In major hubs, thousands of people have to be crowded in those places. There is no reason whatsoever for the test to be offered once a year, except legacy and bragging rights. The participation has grown so much, they simply can’t ignore it any longer.

It’s all about your personal interest. People all hope the exam is given every month in a year before they pass L3 and hope it’s only offered once every 4 years like the World Cup after they become charterholders.

Can’t do it at the end of May, as some people sitting for Level I might still be wrapping up college finals. CFAI should’ve fully thought out their decision to accommodate some based on a religious belief. 

googs1484 wrote:

dirkalish wrote:

What about people who made major plans with the assumption of the exam being first week of June. There are people who spent a lot of money to go to the World Cup, even a few getting married around that time. They now have to push their education back an entire year or abandon their plans and take a solid hit financially. I’ll change my schedule accordingly but some people will face difficult circumstances…

Actually a good point. I’d feel bad about the wedding point. In the end, you should wait until the date is announced, however, I can understand how you assume it’s 1st saturday in June as it always is. 

A lot of wedding venues require to be booked over a year in advance. It’s a little difficult to plan around that at times.