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If Gronk had any pride left, he would retire...

^ I just realized I picked dem cowboys in my survivor pool so I guess I have to keep an eye on the game after all.

Telling it like it is on AF since 2007.

I got a kick out of the Cowboys first drive of the game.  Jason Garrett uses one of the worst challenges I’ve seen on a Jason Witten catch where he clearly doesn’t get in the endzone.  Then I thought about it more and it made sense.  When something is so rarely seen you do whatever you can to try to make it happen.  It didn’t work out in the end, but I respected the effort. 

^I know, right?  I mean, he’s usually too busy run blocking to catch a lot of TD passes, hence why the Cowboys get so many rushing touchdowns. 

At any rate, Jason Witten had two catches for 25 yards this week.  That’s 2 more catches and 25 yards than Gronkowski had. 

But it’s because of the way people defend Gronk!  He’s hurt because people target his legs!!!” 

Had he been hurt in a game on a guy that dove into his knees, I might understand.  However, HE GOT HURT IN PRACTICE.  IN THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST.  A PRE-SEASON INJURY HAS KEPT THE (alleged) GREATEST TIGHT END OF ALL TIME ON THE BENCH FOR TWO GAMES, AND A COMPLETE NON-ISSUE IN THE THIRD GAME. 

82 > 87
Simple math.

Is everyone in Texas this stubborn over stupid stuff? Gronk is way more talented and will be remembered as such by everyone who knows football. Witten is a great TE, no one says otherwise. My father constantly brings up how stupid the Eagles were to draft LJ Smith before Witten, like literally at least once a year he brings it up. Im hoping you arent seriously this invested in Witten that you are missing out on enjoying a Generational talent

'A flute with no holes, is not a flute. And a donut with no hole, is a danish'

Lol.  Sorry I quoted an actual NFL player on what it’s like to attempt to defend Gronk.  I didn’t think you were going to go off the rails (enjoying the transition to CAPS LOCK btw) and apply it to every injury he has ever sustained or will sustain.  Obviously his hamstring isn’t related to this so I’ll give you that.  Gronk can never be the greatest TE because he had a hamstring issue, done and done.  Meanwhile in suit up and show up land Jason Witten still doesn’t have a single touchdown yet this year.  Oh he’s a good blocker?  Neat.  I bet that’s never been said about Gronk before…

*yawn*

When someone unrelated to the Dalls region or the Cowboys agrees with you, wake me up.  Your only argument this entire time has been Jason Witten plays in every game and Gronk doesn’t.  Well that’s awesome, it truly is, but that kind of works against you when you realize that the guy you keep disparaging due to his injuries has already shattered Witten’s production in only six shortened seasons.  We won’t even include playoffs, because that wouldn’t be fair. 

Ironically, Dallas is my favorite NFC team (my father is a fan) and I’ve gone to bat for Tony Romo more times than I probably should have over the years.  I’ve always thought Witten was a stud, and will wind up as among the best.  He’s just simply not on the same level as Rob Gronkowski and never has been. 

“The best ability is avail-ability”… come the **** on, dude.

Week 4 update:

Witten - 7 catches for 47 yards.  

Gronk - One catch for 11 yards.  He’s finally on the board!!!

82 > 87
Simple math.

is Rex Ryan the best lockdown fatboy football coach in the game right now?

^reid?

"You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???"

RIP

The Bills have throttled two teams that played in the NFC and AFC Championship games last year.  Rex went from almost certainly fired by Week 4 to being on top of the world.  Can’t wait to see how they screw this one up.

imagine if gronk reproduces with ronda rousey

that kid gonna be a beast LOL

"You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???"

RIP

^

you have never seen Gronks mom. She is a Ronda Roussey clone.

Week 5 results:

Gronk - 5 catches, 109 yards

Witten - 3 catches, 43 yards

Gronk finally wins one!!!!  (Granted, he was playing against the Browns, but a W is a W nonetheless!!!) 

82 > 87
Simple math.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove by comparing week to week results here.  Gronk won this “contest” whatever day you decided to posit the absurd theory that Jason Witten was better.  People laughed at you, for good reason.  Has a single person come forth that’s taken your side?  When will you stop?

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LOL

Greenie what are your thoughts on the QB position once Romo is healthy? Dak is looking good, hate pulling a hot hand but Romo is always solid before the playoffs

'A flute with no holes, is not a flute. And a donut with no hole, is a danish'

@Ltj - Good for you that we’re comparing week-to-week.  If we were comparing season numbers, Witten would be ahead by a mile. 

@Yayy - cut him and go with Prescott.  I’m a Romo fan, and I think he’s a good QB, but his cap hit isn’t worth it.  Cut him and use the money to get a pass rusher.  (It doesn’t matter if you have Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning as your QB’s–if your defense sucks, you’re not going to win many games.) 

82 > 87
Simple math.

Logged into our AF Fantasy Football league this morning.  Lo and behold, Jason Witten was dropped and on the waiver wire.  Meanwhile, Gronk “shockingly” still owned despite effectively missing 4 weeks and putting up a medicore (for him) week 5.  In fact, there are 14 tight ends currently owned in the league and Jason Witten can’t even crack that list despite having the best ability… availability.

Lololololol.

^We’ll see.  Season’s only about 1/3 over, so Gronk still has an opportunity to be injured for another 10 more games or so. 

First, I actually started this thread mostly in jest, as a nod to the Madden Curse.  But then our war of words flared up and Gronk missed the first four games of the season, which makes it genuinely intriguing. 

Second, I never said (or at least didn’t MEAN to say) that I would take Witten right now over Gronk.  But rather, I said that if I was a coach, and I could take Jason Witten’s career (13 years, 1000+ catches, one missed game) or Gronk’s (6 years, 386 catches, but he’s missed 16 games), I’d take Jason Witten’s.  (Note:  those numbers don’t include 2016, of which Gronk did not play in two games, and was a non-factor in two more.) 

I’ll freely admit that Gronk is the better player, even when Witten was in his prime.  But knowing what we know right now, if I was drafting a team, and I got their whole career, I’d take Witten over Gronk.  In fact, I’d take Witten over any TE in the NFL except Tony Gonzalez. 

82 > 87
Simple math.

Greenie, would your opinion be different if having Gronk would have resulted in the Cowboys winning a SB during his career? 

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the expression “stop while you’re behind” seems so appropriate to me

^Honestly, I don’t think so.  The fact that the guy’s been in the league six years (not counting this one) and has missed an entire season puts him, at best, third on the list, behind Gonzalez and Witten. 

Some others that I would put ahead of Gronk as of today:  Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek, Antonio Gates, Ozzie Newsome, Shannon Sharpe, and Kellen Winslow. 

Granted, Witten’s the only active TE on that list, and his career is definitely nearer to the end than the beginning.  Gronk still have several more years to play.  And when all’s said and done, I expect him to be near the top (if not AT the top) of the TE list.  But not now.  Not after only having played six years (or five, depending on how you look at it). 

82 > 87
Simple math.

(FYI–I was just kidding about Jay Novacek.  I just threw him in to add to the list of Cowboys TE’s.)

82 > 87
Simple math.

I like how you listed games and catches but not yards and touchdowns.  Gronkowski’s “worst” season, as a rookie, posted 13.0 yards per reception which is a full yard+ over Witten’s best season (11.9).  Gronk averages 14.7 yards per reception on his career to Witten’s 11.0.  And of course touchdowns, which of course, Gronkowski may arguably be the best red zone threat EVER. 

But if you were starting a franchise today you’d take Witten over Gronk.  Because of course you would.  That is in-sane, dude.  You may literally be the only person in the entire world who would do that.

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/nfl/cowboys/former-cowboys-te-on-jason-witten...

In the promo video for an ESPN E:60 feature on The Brothers Bennett – Martellus and his brother, Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett – the former didn’t mince words about

“Witten didn’t talk to me when I was in Dallas, he didn’t help me,” Martellus says in the video. “Very rarely did we talk.”

“I hated him. I hated Witten.”

Bennett was the Cowboys’ second-round draft choice in 2008 and spent four seasons with Dallas. Over that span, he caught 85 passes for 846 yards and four touchdowns. Witten, who started every game over those years ahead of Bennett on the depth chart, logged 348 catches for 3,926 yards and 20 touchdowns.

Is the next best ability “likeability”?

#FreeCVM #FreeTurd #2007-2017

I need to reword my question.  Would you, as a Cowboy fan, trade Witten’s career as a Cowboy for Gronk’s career and a SB win?  Put another way, the Bears take Witten with the 68th pick in 2003 (one spot ahead of Dallas), Dallas has run of the mill, or even ****ty, TE’s until 2010 when they make the trade to get to 42 and take Gronk.  Cowboys beat GB in 2014 playoffs instead of lose because of Gronk’s 108 yards and TD as compared to Witten’s 78 yards and no TD, and they go on to win the SB.

I realize that’s comparing the 2014 Witten who was already nearing the end of his career to a much younger Gronk, but would you give up the years between 2003 and 2010 to raise the trophy in 2014 (technically 2015)?

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I wonder who will win next week’s matchup?

#FreeCVM #FreeTurd #2007-2017

Black Swan wrote:

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/nfl/cowboys/former-cowboys-te-on-jason-witten...

In the promo video for an ESPN E:60 feature on The Brothers Bennett – Martellus and his brother, Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett – the former didn’t mince words about

“Witten didn’t talk to me when I was in Dallas, he didn’t help me,” Martellus says in the video. “Very rarely did we talk.”

“I hated him. I hated Witten.”

Bennett was the Cowboys’ second-round draft choice in 2008 and spent four seasons with Dallas. Over that span, he caught 85 passes for 846 yards and four touchdowns. Witten, who started every game over those years ahead of Bennett on the depth chart, logged 348 catches for 3,926 yards and 20 touchdowns.

Is the next best ability “likeability”?

Not surprising.  I suspect most NFL players aren’t particularly nice or helpful to guys drafted to potentially replace them.

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Black Swan wrote:

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/nfl/cowboys/former-cowboys-te-on-jason-witten...

In the promo video for an ESPN E:60 feature on The Brothers Bennett – Martellus and his brother, Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett – the former didn’t mince words about

“Witten didn’t talk to me when I was in Dallas, he didn’t help me,” Martellus says in the video. “Very rarely did we talk.”

“I hated him. I hated Witten.”

Bennett was the Cowboys’ second-round draft choice in 2008 and spent four seasons with Dallas. Over that span, he caught 85 passes for 846 yards and four touchdowns. Witten, who started every game over those years ahead of Bennett on the depth chart, logged 348 catches for 3,926 yards and 20 touchdowns.

Is the next best ability “likeability”?

You could say the exact same thing about Favre/Rodgers, and it doesn’t take away from the fact that Brett Favre is a great quarterback.  (So is Rodgers, by the way.) 

You could say the same thing about Montana and Young. 

Or Bledsoe and Brady. 

Or Bledsoe and Romo. 

Or Rivers and Brees. 

Or Warner and Manning. 

I’m not understanding your point at all. 

82 > 87
Simple math.

higgmond wrote:

I need to reword my question.  Would you, as a Cowboy fan, trade Witten’s career as a Cowboy for Gronk’s career and a SB win?  Put another way, the Bears take Witten with the 68th pick in 2003 (one spot ahead of Dallas), Dallas has run of the mill, or even ****ty, TE’s until 2010 when they make the trade to get to 42 and take Gronk.  Cowboys beat GB in 2014 playoffs instead of lose because of Gronk’s 108 yards and TD as compared to Witten’s 78 yards and no TD, and they go on to win the SB.

I realize that’s comparing the 2014 Witten who was already nearing the end of his career to a much younger Gronk, but would you give up the years between 2003 and 2010 to raise the trophy in 2014 (technically 2015)?

I’m not understanding your question.  But if you’re asking if I would like the Cowboys to win a SB, the answer is “yes”. 

82 > 87
Simple math.

I laughed.  Re-ranking importance.

1) Availability

2) Likability

3) Oafish behavior

4) Redzone production

His point is that Witten sounds like he’s a dick