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king_kong wrote:

Not sure why you’re hung up on this $100k thing, MLA. The RFP says AT LEAST $100k, not $100,000.00. Literally hundreds of tech companies have been able to make it work in NYC and Palo Alto (which is just as expensive as NYC), so I’m sure Amazon would be able to figure it out if they really wanted to.

the wording of AMZN’s statement includes hints. they said at least $100k, not at least $120k or $150k or $200k, meaning they would like to target something close to $100k. building an office of 50,000 working in NYC makes absolutely no sense for any business except those who have grown up with the city. also, they said north american HQ so they are seriously considering non-US locations. i’m not sure how US cities will compete with Canadian cities given US cities will have to provide billions in incentives just to make up for the corporate tax differences. we’ll see.

plus the ontario government is known for showering corporations to create jobs. the govt of ontario incentivized Open Text by paying them $100,000 per hire despite Open Text having several thousand employees already in Ontario and would likely expand that employee base with or without incentives. if this holds, i’d expect AMZN to pay no corporate taxes and receive at least US$5 billion from the govt of ontario. they paid that much per worker to get an incumbent company create more jobs that were probably already going to be created. and that’s just provincial incentives. who knows what the feds and municipality of toronto will throw at AMZN. US cities won’t be able to compete with our socialist version of capitalism. plus there’s a provincial election in June 2018 and the incumbent party probably won’t win a majority government without this type of news. yay!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/2014-ontario-120m-opentext-job-grant-remains-unspent-1.3398471

edit: i don’t think a lot of americans understand how we do business up here now. the government basically just buys jobs from corporations. it’s terrible and boosts government debt but its boosts short-term employment and makes politicians look good.

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

king_kong wrote:

Not sure why you’re hung up on this $100k thing, MLA. The RFP says AT LEAST $100k, not $100,000.00. Literally hundreds of tech companies have been able to make it work in NYC and Palo Alto (which is just as expensive as NYC), so I’m sure Amazon would be able to figure it out if they really wanted to.

the wording of AMZN’s statement includes hints. they said at least $100k, not at least $120k or $150k or $200k, meaning they would like to target something close to $100k. building an office of 50,000 working in NYC makes absolutely no sense for any business except those who have grown up with the city. also, they said north american HQ so they are seriously considering non-US locations. i’m not sure how US cities will compete with Canadian cities given US cities will have to provide billions in incentives just to make up for the corporate tax differences. we’ll see.

plus the ontario government is known for showering corporations to create jobs. the govt of ontario incentivized Open Text by paying them $100,000 per hire despite Open Text having several thousand employees already in Ontario and would likely expand that employee base with or without incentives. if this holds, i’d expect AMZN to pay no corporate taxes and receive at least US$5 billion from the govt of ontario. they paid that much per worker to get an incumbent company create more jobs that were probably already going to be created. and that’s just provincial incentives. who knows what the feds and municipality of toronto will throw at AMZN. US cities won’t be able to compete with our socialist version of capitalism. plus there’s a provincial election in June 2018 and the incumbent party probably won’t win a majority government without this type of news. yay!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/2014-ontario-120m-opentext-job-grant-remains-unspent-1.3398471

edit: i don’t think a lot of americans understand how we do business up here now. the government basically just buys jobs from corporations. it’s terrible and boosts government debt but its boosts short-term employment and makes politicians look good.

I will give you 5 to 1 odds it winds up not being in Canada.  Bet size either $5,000 : $1,000 or $1,000 : $200 denominated in USD not loonies.  

As an investor you either can’t say no to this deal or you’re just pedantically fighting for a stance you don’t believe.

Fact Check wrote:

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

king_kong wrote:

Not sure why you’re hung up on this $100k thing, MLA. The RFP says AT LEAST $100k, not $100,000.00. Literally hundreds of tech companies have been able to make it work in NYC and Palo Alto (which is just as expensive as NYC), so I’m sure Amazon would be able to figure it out if they really wanted to.

the wording of AMZN’s statement includes hints. they said at least $100k, not at least $120k or $150k or $200k, meaning they would like to target something close to $100k. building an office of 50,000 working in NYC makes absolutely no sense for any business except those who have grown up with the city. also, they said north american HQ so they are seriously considering non-US locations. i’m not sure how US cities will compete with Canadian cities given US cities will have to provide billions in incentives just to make up for the corporate tax differences. we’ll see.

plus the ontario government is known for showering corporations to create jobs. the govt of ontario incentivized Open Text by paying them $100,000 per hire despite Open Text having several thousand employees already in Ontario and would likely expand that employee base with or without incentives. if this holds, i’d expect AMZN to pay no corporate taxes and receive at least US$5 billion from the govt of ontario. they paid that much per worker to get an incumbent company create more jobs that were probably already going to be created. and that’s just provincial incentives. who knows what the feds and municipality of toronto will throw at AMZN. US cities won’t be able to compete with our socialist version of capitalism. plus there’s a provincial election in June 2018 and the incumbent party probably won’t win a majority government without this type of news. yay!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/2014-ontario-120m-opentext-job-grant-remains-unspent-1.3398471

edit: i don’t think a lot of americans understand how we do business up here now. the government basically just buys jobs from corporations. it’s terrible and boosts government debt but its boosts short-term employment and makes politicians look good.

I will give you 5 to 1 odds it winds up not being in Canada.  Bet size either $5,000 : $1,000 or $1,000 : $200 denominated in USD not loonies.  

As an investor you either can’t say no to this deal or you’re just pedantically fighting for a stance you don’t believe.

american companies have been coming to canada for its corporate tax rate without additional incentives. if toronto/ontario offers the best incentives as well, i don’t know how AMZN can say no. $1000 : $200 sounds good.

Sweep the Leg wrote:

You mean Austin, Massachusetts?

You mean Boston, Massachusetts!?…yea, that’s what I said.

…because it’s YOUR dog!

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

Fact Check wrote:

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

king_kong wrote:

Not sure why you’re hung up on this $100k thing, MLA. The RFP says AT LEAST $100k, not $100,000.00. Literally hundreds of tech companies have been able to make it work in NYC and Palo Alto (which is just as expensive as NYC), so I’m sure Amazon would be able to figure it out if they really wanted to.

the wording of AMZN’s statement includes hints. they said at least $100k, not at least $120k or $150k or $200k, meaning they would like to target something close to $100k. building an office of 50,000 working in NYC makes absolutely no sense for any business except those who have grown up with the city. also, they said north american HQ so they are seriously considering non-US locations. i’m not sure how US cities will compete with Canadian cities given US cities will have to provide billions in incentives just to make up for the corporate tax differences. we’ll see.

plus the ontario government is known for showering corporations to create jobs. the govt of ontario incentivized Open Text by paying them $100,000 per hire despite Open Text having several thousand employees already in Ontario and would likely expand that employee base with or without incentives. if this holds, i’d expect AMZN to pay no corporate taxes and receive at least US$5 billion from the govt of ontario. they paid that much per worker to get an incumbent company create more jobs that were probably already going to be created. and that’s just provincial incentives. who knows what the feds and municipality of toronto will throw at AMZN. US cities won’t be able to compete with our socialist version of capitalism. plus there’s a provincial election in June 2018 and the incumbent party probably won’t win a majority government without this type of news. yay!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/2014-ontario-120m-opentext-job-grant-remains-unspent-1.3398471

edit: i don’t think a lot of americans understand how we do business up here now. the government basically just buys jobs from corporations. it’s terrible and boosts government debt but its boosts short-term employment and makes politicians look good.

I will give you 5 to 1 odds it winds up not being in Canada.  Bet size either $5,000 : $1,000 or $1,000 : $200 denominated in USD not loonies.  

As an investor you either can’t say no to this deal or you’re just pedantically fighting for a stance you don’t believe.

american companies have been coming to canada for its corporate tax rate without additional incentives. if toronto/ontario offers the best incentives as well, i don’t know how AMZN can say no. $1000 : $200 sounds good.

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jeff bezos should release a clue every week for 10 weeks with a new riddle about the city location that eventually compounds on other bits of info. it would be a cheap marketing ploy but f*** it….. I’d follow it and place wagers on munis

I'll turn this damn bus around.

Sweep the Leg wrote:

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

Fact Check wrote:

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

king_kong wrote:

Not sure why you’re hung up on this $100k thing, MLA. The RFP says AT LEAST $100k, not $100,000.00. Literally hundreds of tech companies have been able to make it work in NYC and Palo Alto (which is just as expensive as NYC), so I’m sure Amazon would be able to figure it out if they really wanted to.

the wording of AMZN’s statement includes hints. they said at least $100k, not at least $120k or $150k or $200k, meaning they would like to target something close to $100k. building an office of 50,000 working in NYC makes absolutely no sense for any business except those who have grown up with the city. also, they said north american HQ so they are seriously considering non-US locations. i’m not sure how US cities will compete with Canadian cities given US cities will have to provide billions in incentives just to make up for the corporate tax differences. we’ll see.

plus the ontario government is known for showering corporations to create jobs. the govt of ontario incentivized Open Text by paying them $100,000 per hire despite Open Text having several thousand employees already in Ontario and would likely expand that employee base with or without incentives. if this holds, i’d expect AMZN to pay no corporate taxes and receive at least US$5 billion from the govt of ontario. they paid that much per worker to get an incumbent company create more jobs that were probably already going to be created. and that’s just provincial incentives. who knows what the feds and municipality of toronto will throw at AMZN. US cities won’t be able to compete with our socialist version of capitalism. plus there’s a provincial election in June 2018 and the incumbent party probably won’t win a majority government without this type of news. yay!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/2014-ontario-120m-opentext-job-grant-remains-unspent-1.3398471

edit: i don’t think a lot of americans understand how we do business up here now. the government basically just buys jobs from corporations. it’s terrible and boosts government debt but its boosts short-term employment and makes politicians look good.

I will give you 5 to 1 odds it winds up not being in Canada.  Bet size either $5,000 : $1,000 or $1,000 : $200 denominated in USD not loonies.  

As an investor you either can’t say no to this deal or you’re just pedantically fighting for a stance you don’t believe.

american companies have been coming to canada for its corporate tax rate without additional incentives. if toronto/ontario offers the best incentives as well, i don’t know how AMZN can say no. $1000 : $200 sounds good.

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Quoted and agreed, STL bans loser if they don’t pay.  Kudos for stepping up.

Fact Check wrote:

Sweep the Leg wrote:

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

Fact Check wrote:

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

king_kong wrote:

Not sure why you’re hung up on this $100k thing, MLA. The RFP says AT LEAST $100k, not $100,000.00. Literally hundreds of tech companies have been able to make it work in NYC and Palo Alto (which is just as expensive as NYC), so I’m sure Amazon would be able to figure it out if they really wanted to.

the wording of AMZN’s statement includes hints. they said at least $100k, not at least $120k or $150k or $200k, meaning they would like to target something close to $100k. building an office of 50,000 working in NYC makes absolutely no sense for any business except those who have grown up with the city. also, they said north american HQ so they are seriously considering non-US locations. i’m not sure how US cities will compete with Canadian cities given US cities will have to provide billions in incentives just to make up for the corporate tax differences. we’ll see.

plus the ontario government is known for showering corporations to create jobs. the govt of ontario incentivized Open Text by paying them $100,000 per hire despite Open Text having several thousand employees already in Ontario and would likely expand that employee base with or without incentives. if this holds, i’d expect AMZN to pay no corporate taxes and receive at least US$5 billion from the govt of ontario. they paid that much per worker to get an incumbent company create more jobs that were probably already going to be created. and that’s just provincial incentives. who knows what the feds and municipality of toronto will throw at AMZN. US cities won’t be able to compete with our socialist version of capitalism. plus there’s a provincial election in June 2018 and the incumbent party probably won’t win a majority government without this type of news. yay!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/2014-ontario-120m-opentext-job-grant-remains-unspent-1.3398471

edit: i don’t think a lot of americans understand how we do business up here now. the government basically just buys jobs from corporations. it’s terrible and boosts government debt but its boosts short-term employment and makes politicians look good.

I will give you 5 to 1 odds it winds up not being in Canada.  Bet size either $5,000 : $1,000 or $1,000 : $200 denominated in USD not loonies.  

As an investor you either can’t say no to this deal or you’re just pedantically fighting for a stance you don’t believe.

american companies have been coming to canada for its corporate tax rate without additional incentives. if toronto/ontario offers the best incentives as well, i don’t know how AMZN can say no. $1000 : $200 sounds good.

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Quoted and agreed, STL bans loser if they don’t pay.  Kudos for stepping up.

going to trade some currency futures to hedge my risk

also, i feel like i’m taking on a lot of counterpary risk here. can you confirm that you are the former bs?

we need confirmation that you are bs for the deal to be sealed…

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

we need confirmation that you are bs for the deal to be sealed…

Why?

Claim: “we need confirmation that you are bs for the deal to be sealed…”

Verdict: FALSE

You didn’t make a deal with BS, weasel, you made a deal with me.

Sweep the Leg wrote:

Matt Likes Analysis wrote:

we need confirmation that you are bs for the deal to be sealed…

Why?

Counterparty risk. I can’t make the bet unless I am confident of payment should I win. I’m betting with a guy that has 26 AF posts. If he is bs, he is a guy with several thousand posts and fairly reliable. Goldman wouldn’t take a million to one bet with the 1000th largest bank in Gujarat state, which is what this bet could very well be. 

Dude, you accepted the bet. Quit being a *****. (Sorry kr.) 

^ do you guarantee payment? i’d take the bet with you but not some new dude who will disappear if he owes $1000. you guys work in finance right?

How about this, I’ll hold payment from both sides in escrow and release the funds to the winner once the outcome is determined. Please wire your funds to:

Bank Name: Bank of Nigeria

Account Name: King_Kong

What me to hold the money in escrow? I’ll invest it wisely in a 0 beta market neutral fund.

MLA…you made a bet. If FactCheck doesn’t pay, you gloat over him forever (or, if you wish, I’ll ban him). Bottom line, you accepted the bet and now you’re trying to get out of it. Not sure how things work up north, but that’s not cool. Hurts your brand. Just roll with it. You’re only on the hook for $200. Just don’t go to Tim Horton’s for a month.

Mike79 wrote:

Sorry Matt looks like Calgary and Denver are leading right now….

http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/sorry-toronto-data-shows-calgary-and-denver-are-in-a-horse-race-to-win-amazons-hq2

says the guy who is making the bid from calgary… haha.

there are zero tech workers in calgary. you might as well make a bid from resolute bay. real estate is free!

i can gloat without any money involved. i think i’ll pass in making a bet with no chance of payment. that is not a bet, that is locking in a negative npv. also, i’m thinking fact check may actually be stl. this whole dialogue makes a lot of sense if that is the case.

And, no, I’ve never had another account here. 

The bet was accepted, I’ll be contacting STL regarding banning your account if you don’t pay.  SAD!  This faker hasn’t even apologized yet.  He’s less Canadian than Atush.

Please quote where the bet was accepted to preserve for AF posterity. 

It’s whatever, just make it count.

- kDot

"You want a quote? Haven’t I written enough already???"

RIP

Amazon Weighs Boston in Search for Second Headquarters

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-12/amazon-is-said-to-wei...

I will spend my $200 on Chicken Masala near fresh street yumyumyum

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higgmond wrote:

does DC has enough contiguous room in the core for what AMZN is looking to build?

Absolutely, especially if you add in the other areas included in the MSA like Tysons, Reston, Rosslyn and it not having to be located “in” DC. 

Yeah close to Dulles IAD is a pretty good price for land around there, being close to a decent airport and not too expensive. 

"It is a rational thesis that we are all within a dream; it will be a mystical sanity to say that we are all awake." - G. K. Chesterton

Moody’s put out a piece analyzing the top ten for AMZN HQ. It’s interesting how geography is considered “subjective” but when you include it Philly is at the top.

“If the geography category is included, Philadelphia moves from third place to first place”

It’s whatever, just make it count.

- kDot

listened to the director of research of CBRE speak this week and he touched on it. His take was if the deciding factor is real estate & labor costs it will be Atlanta or Toronto, but obviously taking into political considerations it comes down more to the proposal each city gives. I cant see it being philly as much as i think it is a good fit and checks a lot of boxes

'A flute with no holes, is not a flute. And a donut with no hole, is a danish'

you are failing to consider the biggest factor - that boston has Marrdddyy & Chaaaaarlie (irish accent for those unable to tell). AMZN coming to boston. 

There’s Huge buzz about them coming here to central MA (Worcester), but I don’t think there’s any way that happens