CFABLACKBELT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > bchadwick Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Republicans are in a political win-win > situation. > > If the economy goes well, they argue that they > > forced the administration to do the right thing > > and deserve power in 2012. If it goes badly, > they > > argue that the administration screwed up the > > economy and therefore deserve power in 2012. > > > > Not necessarily good for the country, but > > definitely good for the GOP. > > > > So we’ll be back to more of the Bush years > soon… > > except the bank account is already empty. > > Which presents a fundamental problem with our > current system. Its very short-term oriented and > often those elected are not always the most > suitable for a variety of reasons (uneducated > voters, lobbyists, etc…). > > But not really sure what system could > realistically replace it. Maybe we should have ECONOMISTS deciding tax policy and other fiscal issues instead of Congress. Sounds elitist, but would you want a congressman deciding which medical procedures are necessary?
Obama has not just moved to the center but has moved to the right. I now suspect that Obama is a closet Republican.
Clintonian triangulation
Analyze_This Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Clintonian triangulation More like Richard Nixon in a community organizer’s costume. We need a President with a back bone and some balls. Somebody get Hillary on the phone.
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > More like Richard Nixon in a community organizer’s > costume. We need a President with a back bone and > some balls. wow mp, that was quick! how many times did you vote for the guy, again???
mar350 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > marcus phoenix Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > More like Richard Nixon in a community > organizer’s > > costume. We need a President with a back bone > and > > some balls. > > wow mp, that was quick! > > how many times did you vote for the guy, again??? I did not vote in the last election. Don’t worry, I will be voting for the first time in 2012 and will not be voting for a Republican in the next election anyways. Even if you don’t have Saline Palin as your candidate. I believe in the lesser of two evils.
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I will be voting for the first time in 2012 and > will not be voting for a Republican in the next > election anyways fine with me - we don’t like flip-floppers.
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > mar350 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > marcus phoenix Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > More like Richard Nixon in a community > > organizer’s > > > costume. We need a President with a back bone > > and > > > some balls. > > > > wow mp, that was quick! > > > > how many times did you vote for the guy, > again??? > > > I did not vote in the last election. Don’t worry, > I will be voting for the first time in 2012 and > will not be voting for a Republican in the next > election anyways. Even if you don’t have Saline > Palin as your candidate. I believe in the lesser > of two evils. Ughhh… can’t we just have more Qqqbee posts or something? These political threads are really getting old.
mar350 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > marcus phoenix Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I will be voting for the first time in 2012 and > > will not be voting for a Republican in the next > > election anyways > > fine with me - we don’t like flip-floppers. I am a registered republican and will be voting for palin in the 2012 primaries.
- Phase out social security over the next twenty years. 2. Stop federal subsidies of medicare/medicad…let the States run or eliminate these programs as their citizens want. 3. End federal subsidies of Education (its only a small fraction of education spending anyway). Let the states do what they do. If some states are too poor to offer adequate education, let the other states decide how much they want to chip in. 4. Eliminate Obamacare. Let the states set up programs if they wish like some already have…let them suffer the consequences. 5. Stop bailing out states such as California. Let them default. We let states go bankrupt in the past, and they learned their lesson. 6. Congress meets for 3 months every 2 years (i.e. budgeting is done bi-annually). Emergency matters can be handled via tele-conference, telephone, and email. Congressmen act like they don’t even remember which states they represent. 7. Repeal the constitutional amendment related to the election of senators. Return the voting system back to its nominal state of allowing the states to send Senators to congress. Senators are now nothing but political slappys who can care less how the policies they inact affect the fiscal environments of the governments they represent. 8. Amend the 14th amendment to clarify that it only applied to slaves, native americans, and latinos (from lands won away from Mexico). Make this amendment retroactive by 1 year. This amendment is already pretty clear…it just hasn’t been challenged in a competent way yet. 9. Let the states first collect federal tax monies and then have them send it up to the Feds.
- Cut defense spending. 10) Not extend Bush tax cuts.
So you want the biggest tax increase in history and you want the Feds to not do one of the few things that they are constitutionally obligated to do?
Do tell how the two points mean that the “Feds” not do one of the “few things”? I assume you are referring to defense, so it would be nice to hear how reducing defense spending automatically implies not defending the country. That’ll be fun to hear!
Palantir Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do tell how the two points mean that the “Feds” > not do one of the “few things”? > > I assume you are referring to defense, so it would > be nice to hear how reducing defense spending > automatically implies not defending the country. > That’ll be fun to hear! No point in arguing with someone who gets their talking points from fox news/ Rush/ Beck. Yes, cut everything except the bloated military and the corrupt contractors feeding at the trough.
FINforLIL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > a bunch of ridiculous proposals. That was good for a laugh. Thanks. I needed that. I especially liked the mass disenfranchisement (#7) and the not so subtle “I don’t like brown people” amendment.
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > No point in arguing with someone who gets their > talking points from fox news/ Rush/ Beck. Yes, cut > everything except the bloated military and the > corrupt contractors feeding at the trough. Is there any point arguing with someone who gets their talking points from MSNBC/Olbermann/Maddow? I’m not suggesting that you do, but curious how someone who leans pretty strongly to the left views such folks.
higgmond Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > marcus phoenix Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > No point in arguing with someone who gets their > > talking points from fox news/ Rush/ Beck. Yes, > cut > > everything except the bloated military and the > > corrupt contractors feeding at the trough. > > > Is there any point arguing with someone who gets > their talking points from MSNBC/Olbermann/Maddow? > I’m not suggesting that you do, but curious how > someone who leans pretty strongly to the left > views such folks. I don’t really watch cnbc though I regularly watch stewart, colbert and bill maher. I prefer the international channels for real journalism.
I think that Olbermann and Maddow are fairly intelligent folks that more than occasionally throw some punches that aren’t quite fair. It grates on the intellectual in me that someone for whom most of the argument is coherent can skew things like that; on the other hand, I’m glad that SOMEONE on the left is doing that, so that the left isn’t just a punching bag for the Beck, O’Reily, Limbaugh crowd.
This letter is a bunch of horsesh!t. If these idiots want to pay more in taxes then send in a check. If Gates or Buffet think they don’t pay enough taxes then they need to STFU and open their chekcbooks. Nobody is stopping them or other progressive redistributionists from paying any rate above the federal rate they desire. I’m so sick of these AINO’s dictating to everyone else what to do. Keep you hand out of my pocket!
bchadwick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think that Olbermann and Maddow are fairly > intelligent folks that more than occasionally > throw some punches that aren’t quite fair. > > It grates on the intellectual in me that someone > for whom most of the argument is coherent can skew > things like that; on the other hand, I’m glad that > SOMEONE on the left is doing that, so that the > left isn’t just a punching bag for the Beck, > O’Reily, Limbaugh crowd. Agreed. I will occasionally listen to Olbermann and Maddow because they are intelligent, but I often find myself changing the channel within 5-10min as they start to turn me off with the blanket statements. I don’t even pay attention to Beck or Limbaugh. I rarely listen to O’Reily (usually only when I get an email from a colleague), but he sometimes does make a good point (i.e. when he called out Barney Frank). > I don’t really watch cnbc though I regularly watch stewart, colbert and bill maher. I prefer >the international channels for real journalism. Stewart and Colbert are pretty good. I was really impressed with the sanity rally and in hindsight, wish I would’ve gone. I didn’t b/c I thought it was just going to be a tea-bash fest (which seems to be what a lot of people thought). But, they more often than not lean a little too far left for me, though if I got crap from Beck, Limbaugh, Palin etc… as much as they do I probably would turn left. Bill Maher is funny, but thats where I end it with him. He is intelligent, but makes even more rash statements than Olbermann and Maddow. He can come off as pretty arrogant, naive and elitist. Honestly, I’ve pretty much given up on finding cooler heads in politics. It seems everyone and their mother has an opinion and even worse, thinks that opinion matters, yet often knows little of what they are talking about.