I don’t think a hillary win is easily assured at all. A ton of silent UK voters awoke to vote LEAVE. Many based on blocking oUT a surge of immigration, and taking power back to the people. Trump has grabbed the most votes in recent republican vote history. Something tells me there is many more silent folks in the wings. Nearly 1/2 of Bernie voters are “no way hillary”. I’m sure a good amount will fold eventually, but that’s still a lot of hate for hillary. And Bernie protracted this battle a long time. Hillary can still be indicted for email gate. Or she doesn’t formally, but the FBI let’s their findings to the press and a cry for corruption springs forth. Neither of which are good for hillary
uk voters were never been silent. this exact result (e.g. 52/48) has been known for at least a month irrespective of how much the betting and stock markets did not want to believe it. if you look at polls that took into account voter turnout, “leave” has been in a commanding lead for at least a month and small lead for much of the referendum’s lead-up.
i think you overestimate americans’ penchant for switching sides. berners who say they are “no way hilary” are liars because they’re tried and true democrats first. it is comical that you are making the argument that far left wingers are going to let trump get into power, which is the absolute worst case scenario for all far left wingers. almost every american i know is in this situation (as i’m in Canada i only know far left wing dems). people vote against stuff. this group has every reason to vote against trump.
because of party stickiness, take the last election’s results and then add that trump has alienated the only part of the population that is growing (e.g. blacks, hispanics, immigrants). trump may have riled up republicans but i highly doubt he’s converted many dems to the gop.
I have no idea if exit will be good or bad for the UK in the long-term, but I would find it a bit troubling if people voted for exit as a spite vote against President Obama.
I disagree with all that rubbish. And hereby declare victory
people won’t have voted to leave based solely on comments from Obama, Juncker, merkel et al but I’m sure being baited by political leaders helped solidify some pre existing views.
I imagine you would be troubled if you crawled into most voter’s minds. A little surprised you are not already…
Late last night, some (British) talking head suggested the reason the polls were so far off is because some Brits were too polite to publically say they wanted to leave the EU.
I think that’s really cute.
I am kind of disgusted they keep using independence day to talk about a vote that they leave the EU. Especially knowing how many people died fighting the crown to gain their independence.
a win for democracy no matter what side you are on. Goes to show that the people do still have the power (at least in the UK)
i don’t think that’s suprising after an anti-eu supporter murdered a politician.
That guy was a fruitcake and in no way represents the average leave voter. No leave voter should ever feel shame over that…
Apparently millennials are getting a lot of the “blame” for Exit winning. Seems they overwhelmingly supported staying and underwhelmingly showed up at the polls.
Im pretty sure the U.S. isn’t the only country in the world to have an “Independence Day”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_independence_days
According to this article, the average leave voter was old, stupid, and poor. Clearly the leave voters here are the exception, not the norm.
Never said the US was the only, but many/most of them had to fire bullets for theirs.
Lots of Bernie supporters are young people who want huge govt, believe taxes should be 50%+ for those who take massive business risk, and should have govt controlled healthcare and free college for all. Too bad they are blind to the fact that socialism destroys innovation, efficiency, and pretty much everything else about progress, the innovators all leave, and you’ll be stuck with huge debt until the system crashes under it’s own weight.
yup, sums up England in a nutshell
For example?
I <3 big government.
obviously all leave voters are not crazy murderers. the bottom line is that nobody likes to vote on the side of a murderer who did it in the name of the side. they don’t feel shame about their vote or why they wish to vote leave, just that their vote could be perceived as being aligned with the hate that resulted in her murder.