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Hmm. I don’t know anyone else who says they are a “former” Muslim. Most people who decide to become non religious just become passive members. Did anyone pressure you when you quit the club?

Anyway, yes definitely religion, or at least culture, is a component of the problem. Mexican immigrants don’t bomb all these white Texas people, since the Mexicans don’t seem to have cultural or religious attributes that encourage that sort of behavior.

However, there is no reason that religion has to be the only reason for terrorism. Socioeconomic division, marginalization, and other political differences, are also part of the problem.

today is just a sad day.

Plus, Rob Ford died.

We should all just leave work and go home and mourn~~sad

Trump: Says Muslims are bad.

Muslims: “The world needs to rise up and stop this bigotry and injustice, our children cannot grow up in this!”"

Muslim Extremist: Blows up random civilians for the third time in a week.

Muslims: …

And this is why the frustration. That group needs to care after their own house.

These things exist everywhere, as does religion, this degree and brand of violence is unique to Muslims.

You can point out the odd disturbed Christian outburst, but for every 1 of those, I can find you 200 Muslim events despite Muslims being the smaller of the two religions globally. Not only that, but you don’t get a church stepping up everytime and claiming affiliation. Rather the opposite and THAT is the problem.

Muslim extrimism is a small minority compared to the whole population.The proxy war carried out in ME is not helping and so is radicalizing the muslims, this is just what the ISIS wants.

I am as agnostic as they come, I used to be a a muslim so it makes me a former muslim.Anyway religion is poison IMO.

Oh please, it’s the whole ME and this type of violence has defined that region since before ISIS or the US were even an idea. It’s just the current excuse.

It’s just a violent religion at the heart of the matter.

https://religionofconquest.wordpress.com/2015/12/05/terrorism-statistics-islam-versus-christianity/

“I have seen so many comments from liberals in denial regarding the ISIS terrorist attack in California, so this post is going to be my very best attempt at untangling this yarn ball of lies and bullsh*t as best I can.

First, the majority of them have immediately brought up Robert Dear, the guy who shot three people in Planned Parenthood, to make a point that Christian terrorists are just as bad and Muslim terrorists are unfairly scrutinized. When’s the last time you heard of a terrorist attack targeting abortion clinics? I looked it up. Since 1990, there have been 7 fatal attacks on abortion clinics or abortion doctors, resulting in 11 fatalities. ELEVEN. Just to clarify, that’s less in 25 years than Syed Farook and Tashfeed Malik killed in the span of 5 minutes.

Second, bringing up other white, male mass shooters in the United States to somehow prove this is just as big a problem as Islamic terrorism and ISIS. Why white males? Why not mention the Navy Yard shooter or the Virginia Tech shooter? As far as I’m aware, there is no all encompassing ideology driving white males to go on rampage killings. There’s no single motive or common denominator, unlike Islamic terrorism, where there is ALWAYS a single motive and common denominator: Islam. I looked up the 30 worst mass shootings in US history. 10 of them were carried out by non white males. And those 30 rampage shootings resulted in a total of 382 deaths. That’s less than 1/4 of fatalities caused by Islamic terrorist attacks in November 2015 ALONE.

Thirdly, many are saying there have been 355 mass shootings in America this year, with only 2% by Muslims being responsible. Except this statistic from “Mass Shooting Tracker” has been proven FALSE. 42% of these so called “shootings” resulted in zero deaths and 29% resulted in 1 death. That’s 71% of these supposed “mass shootings” that involved 1 death or less. So if you’re parroting this statistic, you’re essentially lumping a random shooting where one person was injured in the leg with a pre-planned, ISIS terror attack on US soil. Congratulations. Fourthly, bringing up PAST “Christian atrocities” to somehow condone or justify the Islamic terror threat we face TODAY. I tallied up the body count. ISIS alone has killed over 6,000 innocent people just this year. Adding up the predictable “Christian atrocities” I’ve heard (even if they were NOT motivated by Christianity at all): Timothy McVeigh, the KKK, the IRA, and the Spanish Inquisition combined doesn’t even come close to the ISIS body count just this year. And that’s just ISIS. That doesn’t include Boko Haram, Abu Sayyef, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Al Shabaab, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other Islamic terrorist organizations that make up the overwhelming majority of named Islamic terror groups worldwide.

Fifthly, of 335 official terrorist attacks listed in 2015 worldwide, 310 of them were carried out by either an Islamic terrorist group or a lone wolf Muslim. That’s over 92%. Case closed.

Seriously liberals, I will play this “Christians vs. Muslims” numbers game all day long. You want to point out Hitler as Christian, even though he personally hated Christianity and his motives were far from religious? I’ll still give you that and raise you one Islamic massacre of 70 million Hindus on the Indian subcontinent. You want to bring up the Crusades, a defensive war by Europe that was meant to stop Islamic military expansion? I’ll still give you that and raise you one Armenian genocide by the Ottoman Turks. You want to bring up the Inquisition or the Salem Witch Trials or every abortion clinic bombing in the history of the world? I’ll give you all of those and raise you one massacre of 700 beheaded Banu Qurayza Jews by Mohammad the Prophet himself in 627 AD."

So we can perhaps say that religion is a prerequisite for terrorism in these cases. That doesn’t mean it is the one and only problem. All the terrorist bombers are male. Can we just blame everything on testicles?

Are you saying that the female bombers were shemales ?

Ok maybe not “all”. Just an overwhelming majority of terrorists.

No no no, see, your addiction to PC blindness has you all confused again. It’s not religion. It’s ISLAM. Also, all the terrorist bombers are not male, in fact ISIS has been increasingly making use of female bombers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3496507/Kurdish-TAK-militant-group-says-Ankara-bombing-killed-37.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3290323/Desperate-ISIS-forms-new-female-suicide-squad-carry-bombings-terror-group-running-children-use-attacks.html

Anyhow, if you wanted to say Mulsim males, then we might be onto something owing to Islam’s well documented track record of abusing women and treating them like property (should I bring Human Rights Watch into this?). Well, I guess it is Islam after all…

Listen, these people are all Muslim, the claim to do it for Islam and Islamic groups that have Islam in the name claim affiliation. But clearly, socioeconomic status is the problem because poor, disenfranchised people aren’t a universal occurance.

Let the mental gymnastics commence…

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Remember,I am agnostic.Any form of religion other that is not subject to scrutiny is complete B.S.However tough stances on this issue is very likely to turn the moderate muslims to extrimists.EU cannot just shut down it’s borders cause there is so many of them in EU already.If some dumb dude would attack my beliefs while I was a kid I might have been still a muslim.I still don’t see why no one is talking about the Saudi funded scholarships or schools within the west who are preaching this garbage.

The proof is in the pudding, but no one wants to see it.

I salute you in your efforts and if your battle leaves this forum, let me know.

Islam has the most potential within religions to turn your average mohammed into a bomber,However banning them or bombing them is not the best solution.Out of every 100 immigrants(muslims) how many still cling to their beliefs ? I don’t know many , but perhaps my social circle is biased.

I’m not saying we need to ban Islam or even necessarily ban all immigration. But stopping and saying, “This is the major problem” collectively so we can decide how to constructively move forward is the first step.

This thread solidify my view on the smart, rational, ignorant, and idiot among AFers.

What’s happening in Europe is too sad. Ignorance and stupidity fuels the fumes of extremism.

These groups have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia suffered from the highest number of ISIS attacks after Syria and Iraq. Saudi Arabia were never ever in a conflict with the US.

ISIS, Hamas & Al-Qaida are the offspring of the Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood served many times as mercenaries on behalf of Iran’s proxy wars. The 911 US indictment said that Iran forged an alliance with Bin Laden (while Saudi Arabia revoked his citizenship before 911), and Iran facilitated the travels through its land for the hijackers and provided them with material support.

Muslim Brotherhood presence is strong in Europe

Yet, with ignorance, anyone can say anything.

I don’t think it is PC blindness. Why is there no terrorism originating from Brunei, for instance? It’s because they are rich, not frustrated with the world, not desperate, not displaced by war, etc. Sure, someone from Brunei could still become a terrorist. However, they are far less likely to become a terrorist compared to someone from Syria or other worse place. So ok, Islam is one reason for the terrorism (which I have essentially stated before; not sure why you attacked my word choice when you knew what I meant). It is, however, far from the *only* reason.

I’m not sure what is your problem anyway. Go take a walk or something.

Iran has troups actively fighting ISIS in Iraq, not to mention the whole Sunni (ISIS) / Shia (Iran) thing…