i should add that i would take anyone who passed all three levels of the CFA over an undergrad business major any day, regardless of what experience they had. but i’m not the one in charge of hiring and that’s just the way things work.
I think people tend to make the misguided assumption that those from lower tier schools are hungrier and those with a pedigree were bestowed with some unearned gift. The reason people end up at top 10 schools is because they are talented and driven. For every motivated success story you see from a lower-tier school, you will have multiples of people from great schools who are doing even better. And not to beat a dead horse, but brand of school matters immensely, and not just for your first job. Every new person you meet for the rest of your life will partially form their opinion of you based on where you went to school. Go tide!
“I think people tend to make the misguided assumption that those from lower tier schools are hungrier and those with a pedigree were bestowed with some unearned gift. The reason people end up at top 10 schools is because they are talented and driven. For every motivated success story you see from a lower-tier school, you will have multiples of people from great schools who are doing even better. And not to beat a dead horse, but brand of school matters immensely, and not just for your first job. Every new person you meet for the rest of your life will partially form their opinion of you based on where you went to school. Go tide!” Not to say there arent a lot of brilliant people attending top schools but that unearned gift is called daddy paying 40,000/yr and being a legacy… I think i just vomited in my mouth a little bit…
I’ll punch a top 10 school kid in the face if he said he was better than me based on the mere fact that he went to one of those schools and I did not. If it were a lady, I would call her promiscuous (I wouldn’t hit a lady).
DirtyZ Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think people tend to make the misguided > assumption that those from lower tier schools are > hungrier and those with a pedigree were bestowed > with some unearned gift. The reason people end up > at top 10 schools is because they are talented and > driven. For every motivated success story you see > from a lower-tier school, you will have multiples > of people from great schools who are doing even > better. And not to beat a dead horse, but brand > of school matters immensely, and not just for your > first job. Every new person you meet for the rest > of your life will partially form their opinion of > you based on where you went to school. Go tide! sounds like something I would say. +1
Stanford now provides full tuition for any person attending from a family making less than 100k total. Kind of interesting, they are doing it to compete with H/P/Y who have been updating their tuition policy to be more sensitive to lower income students. I wonder how many spouses are like “better quit that part time job, or we won’t be able to afford Stanford for Lucy”.
numi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DirtyZ Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I think people tend to make the misguided > > assumption that those from lower tier schools > are > > hungrier and those with a pedigree were > bestowed > > with some unearned gift. The reason people end > up > > at top 10 schools is because they are talented > and > > driven. For every motivated success story you > see > > from a lower-tier school, you will have > multiples > > of people from great schools who are doing even > > better. And not to beat a dead horse, but > brand > > of school matters immensely, and not just for > your > > first job. Every new person you meet for the > rest > > of your life will partially form their opinion > of > > you based on where you went to school. Go > tide! > > sounds like something I would say. +1 Q: How do you know someone went to Harvard? A: They tell you.
numi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DirtyZ Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I think people tend to make the misguided > > assumption that those from lower tier schools > are > > hungrier and those with a pedigree were > bestowed > > with some unearned gift. The reason people end > up > > at top 10 schools is because they are talented > and > > driven. For every motivated success story you > see > > from a lower-tier school, you will have > multiples > > of people from great schools who are doing even > > better. And not to beat a dead horse, but > brand > > of school matters immensely, and not just for > your > > first job. Every new person you meet for the > rest > > of your life will partially form their opinion > of > > you based on where you went to school. Go > tide! > > sounds like something I would say. +1 The above may be true. Nevertheless, the prejudice goes both ways. Many of those who went to top teir schools scoff at people who did not. They automatically assume they must not be smart or (definitely not as smart as they are). In many cases they feel entitled to a privilaged life and top job. Even in situations where top 10 students/graduates encounter students/graduates of equal or greater intellect and ability, they will still consider themselves “better” because of the brand of their degree. People are entitled to feel however they like, even if their views don’t hold water.
Gouman Wrote: > > The above may be true. Nevertheless, the prejudice > goes both ways. Many of those who went to top teir > schools scoff at people who did not. They > automatically assume they must not be smart or > (definitely not as smart as they are). In many > cases they feel entitled to a privilaged life and > top job. Even in situations where top 10 > students/graduates encounter students/graduates of > equal or greater intellect and ability, they will > still consider themselves “better” because of the > brand of their degree. You make a good point, though I’d hesitate to imply that a majority of “top tier college” people act that way. At first I went to a “second tier” school and then I transferred to a “top tier” school. There is a significant difference between these specific schools in terms of quality of education, but at the end of the day, the top 10% from a school “ranked” ~25th is usually not really different than the top 5% (honestly just estimating, I could be wrong) from a school ranked ~70th. I did gain a lot from transferring and I learned a lot of things that most people in “lesser” schools wouldn’t, but I don’t pretend that this somehow makes me better than them, especially since I’m only really extremely knowledgeable in a select 5 or 6 fields (econ, history, italian, etc.). I know no more about human biology than what I learned in health class and from various injuries, I’m a putz when it comes to chemistry, and I wish I knew a lot more about physics, yet there are millions of people who are more knowledgeable than me in these subjects who went to community colleges or whatever. I feel like people who lean on their degrees to prove their value are often a bit insecure about their own intellect. That said, we all still try to get into the “best” schools and “best” programs for a reason…they tend to be better than other schools.
Gouman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The above may be true. Nevertheless, the prejudice > goes both ways. Many of those who went to top teir > schools scoff at people who did not. They > automatically assume they must not be smart or > (definitely not as smart as they are). In many > cases they feel entitled to a privilaged life and > top job. Even in situations where top 10 > students/graduates encounter students/graduates of > equal or greater intellect and ability, they will > still consider themselves “better” because of the > brand of their degree. > > People are entitled to feel however they like, > even if their views don’t hold water. yea, there are some people like this, but as for myself and most of my friends (who went to college with me), i don’t think we’re like that. i think that there are certain facts out there, like there being more finance recruiting at top schools than at lesser ones, that are pretty unequivocal. that being a fact, i don’t think it entitles people at top schools to look down on others. however, on the topic of entitlement, there were some people who posted earlier with the idea that people from top schools don’t have to work hard, or they feel like they “deserve” something because of their school…and again i think that’s a broad generalization and certainly not true in every case. many students worked very hard to get into the top schools, and the students at the top schools have to compete with one another to get the top jobs. the whole process is all about pre-screening, and as you move further along, the field becomes smaller and more exclusive. and i think that’s really a great thing, except that the whole reason these people compete as hard as they do is because they *don’t* feel that sense of entitlement…otherwise i’m sure you’d see a lot more complacency and a lot less determination. i, for one, don’t believe that people at lesser schools regularly work harder or have more ambition than i do (except maybe that one guy who posted here a while back – the guy who was studying for Level III while training for a marathon, working 60 hour weeks and having his first kid or something). anyway, i don’t take exception when these things are said, as i know that there are a lot of stereotypes, envy, or misinformation that’s out there. however, certainly not everyone who graduated from a top school is full of themselves or looks down upon others who didn’t have that same background. once you start working, it’s all about how productive you are, and if you do a lousy job, nobody will let you off the hook just because you have an ivy league degree
i think school matters. If ur in an environment with driven, oriented ppl, then u put urself in a good enviornment. Sadly, the people at my uni weren’t all that smart/driven, so i myself sunk to average standard and became “just another grad.” Now i am more motivated because I compare myself to my brother, who went to top schools and is likely to do better than me. Now I am willing to work harder than ever before, because I know i can be alot better than now. School matters, and the ppl around you matters even more.
ancientmtk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > School matters, and the ppl around you matters > even more. This is also a good point. The biggest thing I noticed when I transferred to a “top tier” school was that suddenly most of the people around me were interested in having intellectual conversations and pushing each other to succeed. The professors also tended to be more…motivational, I suppose. The most important thing to remember, I think, is that it’s possible to find smart, motivated people and great professors at a terrible school…it’s just not as pervasive throughout the entire population.
Hockey, with all due respect, college students are the most shallow, lame-brained people on earth when it comes to “intellectual” conversations. Wait 'til these idiot kids start working real jobs and paying taxes and aren’t being brainwashed by pin-head professors who don’t work real jobs themselves.
I wouldnt go that far… kkent Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hockey, with all due respect, college students are > the most shallow, lame-brained people on earth > when it comes to “intellectual” conversations.
I would. Honestly, the opinion of a tax-paying truck driver who works hard day in and day out to support his/her family is a more insightful and important opinion than that of any punk college student who sits around at night at coffee shops regurgitating the garbage his/her professor spews.
kkent Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hockey, with all due respect, college students are > the most shallow, lame-brained people on earth > when it comes to “intellectual” conversations. > Wait ‘til these idiot kids start working real jobs > and paying taxes and aren’t being brainwashed by > pin-head professors who don’t work real jobs > themselves. 1. Those lame-brained college students are the future of this industry. Judging by the last 10 years’ history, the bar hasn’t been set that high… 2. Sure SOME professors are pure academics who don’t know what the he!! they’re talking about. The best professors are the ones that have already made so much F$##%g money that they don’t have to work anymore.
I didn’t say they weren’t intelligent and didn’t have a bright future. But most people transform considerably once they enter the workforce. I don’t really give a damn what a 19-year-old with a 20 hour work week whose parents are paying for their lifestyles thinks about important issues, to be frank. I don’t care if they’re conservative or liberal. Oh yeah, I doubt that most liberal arts professors are rolling in the doh from their previous life.
kkent Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > don’t really give a damn what a 19-year-old with a > 20 hour work week whose parents are paying for > their lifestyles thinks about important issues, to > be frank. I don’t care if they’re conservative or > liberal. Agreed. Having to support a family (or even just yourself, to a lesser extent) changes one’s perspective on everything.
Geez this thread screams alma matter insecurity. Is there anyone in this thread that DIDNT graduate from Billy Bob State University???
I guess not everyone here is willing to drop $50,000 per year on NYU.