"Conservatives are using identity politics to destroy liberalism from within"

[Black_Swan]

@brain\_wash\_your\_face

@Black_Swan

No, I’m saying California is growing at standard population growth rates (0.7% last year). So yes it’s adding a lot of people, but simply at reproductive levels.

Got it, I’m looking from 2010 to 2017, so we are using different data. Single year data can be quite choppy and prone to error.

Single year data for large populations tends to not be that volatile. Besides, 2010-2017 is a meaningless data set because America wasn’t even great for most of the data set.

[Sweep_the_Leg]

@Black_Swan

@Sweep_the_Leg

@Black_Swan

@Sweep_the_Leg

@Black_Swan

@brain\_wash\_your\_face

@Black_Swan

Yeah, but absolute value is meaningless.

Haha, ok bro.

I’m not your bro, chief.

I’m not your chief, buddy.

I’m not your buddy, guy.

I’m not your guy, pal.

Not your pal, friend.

I’m not your friend, lover.

[Black_Swan]

Agree with urbanization, but that was my original point in my first response to Mackenzie, that she was conflating urbanization causality with liberalism.

[ohai]

Urbanization, progressiveness and liberalism are obviously closely tied. The original discussion was about how an aspect of liberalism has backfired politically, not the overall merits of liberalism.

[Matt_Likes_Analysis]

@Sweep_the_Leg

I’m not your friend, lover.

geez, get a room guys. this stuff isn’t legal in russia.

[Malee]

Wait, wait, no I wasn’t annoyed at your post, I just got busy. I am no liberal, but I am a libertarian, which to me means it is ok that people disagree about complicated issues. I don’t need an echo chamber of right-wing bros to high-five me every time I say something. Also, I will have to declare a fatwa on you calling me snowflake or trolling me about ROTC. As I recall, you revealed that you signed up for Marines, only to quit when you learned you might get deployed. So when your country needed you, you quit and possibly moved to Canada… That’s gotta be textbook snowflake!!! amiright? high five?

@Black_Swan

Once again Marcy with the failure to address the broader points he can’t contend with. Again, pick up a book. Never said you can’t have a poor right state, but did say your oversimplification was exactly that. You responded with another over simplification, LMAO. As Ohai pointed out, deflect and deny. To recap, you failed to even address the beginning point, got defensive, rambled some counterfactual assertions about liberalism and wealth, then got mad when your welfare recipient argument proved to be full of holes (thanks Pew Center!).

I declare victory over Jr. ROTC.

[Malee]

60k seems like a rounding error, and could be deceptive. I have come across maybe a dozen hedge fund and private equity tycoons who have bought ranches and acres of land in Montana or Wyoming. Not sure why those two states, must be some tax issue, but they are certainly beautiful with great hunting and fishing. Lot of ex military also move to these states – more a live free or die attitude. Again though, not a lot of people moving there for the vibrant economy.

@brain\_wash\_your\_face

@Sweep_the_Leg

Montana is growing quite a bit faster than the national average. People from Texas and California are infesting the state. The Californians are actually changing the political landscape (to the left, naturally). Texans are hated because they all drive pickup trucks that don’t have 4wd and still think they can drive in the Montana winter.

Cool, I stand corrected. Montana grew approx 6% (#17) from 2010 to 2017, adding 61k people.

[Black_Swan]

@Malee

As I recall, you revealed that you signed up for Marines, only to quit when you learned you might get deployed. So when your country needed you, you quit and possibly moved to Canada… That’s gotta be textbook snowflake!!! amiright? high five?

Weak attempt. Needed is a strong term given there was no shortage of baby killers willing to liberate the Iraqi’s for free college.

[system]

“To put it simply, the American left has been hacked, and it is now running in a circle of its own choosing, rather than focusing on electoral victories or policy effectiveness. Too many segments of the Democratic Party are self-righteously talking about identity politics, and they are letting other priorities slip.”

Yup, Bannon said this a couple years, “as long as they keep focusing on PC/identity politics (i.e. authoritarianism/racism/sexism), we got em.” But Bloomberg is corporate propaganda, and there’s loads of misdirection in there as usual (trying to pit left vs right, etc).

@Malee

PC does not equal liberalism. Try talking about abortion rights, gun control, right-sizing defense spending, in certain red states or cities and see how far you get. And yes you will be shouted down, people will protest, death threats will be mailed in, and your business will be boycotted. Bottom line, everyone has their sacred cows and there is plenty of PC to go around. Consider, if the right believes that liberalism is so bad, then why are liberal and centrist cities doing so darn great? How come so many people want to move to and live in Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boston, Chicago, Miami, Portland, San Fran, LA, New York…etc.? Why are these places vibrant, exciting, diverse and full of opportunity? How come red state cities are becoming depopulated, and facing opiod addiction crime, oops, I meant opiod public health crisis? Blue cities definitely get lots of stuff wrong, but they are about inclusion and creating an environment where both libs and conservatives can live and prosper. Red cities are all about exclusion, busy debating pointless issues like sharia law, same sex washrooms, and illegal voting. I will take some idiocy like “safe spaces” over a debate on shariah law…7 days a week.

You’re all over the place, and don’t understand what is happening in America. Back up, delete everything you think you know, start over.

[system]

@ohai

Urbanization, progressiveness and liberalism are obviously closely tied. The original discussion was about how an aspect of liberalism has backfired politically, not the overall merits of liberalism.

Liberalism/progressivism, the whole thing, has backfired.

That’s what happens after 50yrs, it’s over, dead, rotting. Next.

[Malee]

Thanks, but I will stick with what I know. The US has extreme periods then it tacks to the middle and repeats. The pure left has never won a presidential election – Obama, Clinton, Carter…thankfully all tack to the middle. Non Americans love to point out the sky is falling in the US because they can’t get over their schadenfreude… Just get over it.

@purealpha

“To put it simply, the American left has been hacked, and it is now running in a circle of its own choosing, rather than focusing on electoral victories or policy effectiveness. Too many segments of the Democratic Party are self-righteously talking about identity politics, and they are letting other priorities slip.”

Yup, Bannon said this a couple years, “as long as they keep focusing on PC/identity politics (i.e. authoritarianism/racism/sexism), we got em.” But Bloomberg is corporate propaganda, and there’s loads of misdirection in there as usual (trying to pit left vs right, etc).

@Malee

PC does not equal liberalism. Try talking about abortion rights, gun control, right-sizing defense spending, in certain red states or cities and see how far you get. And yes you will be shouted down, people will protest, death threats will be mailed in, and your business will be boycotted. Bottom line, everyone has their sacred cows and there is plenty of PC to go around. Consider, if the right believes that liberalism is so bad, then why are liberal and centrist cities doing so darn great? How come so many people want to move to and live in Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boston, Chicago, Miami, Portland, San Fran, LA, New York…etc.? Why are these places vibrant, exciting, diverse and full of opportunity? How come red state cities are becoming depopulated, and facing opiod addiction crime, oops, I meant opiod public health crisis? Blue cities definitely get lots of stuff wrong, but they are about inclusion and creating an environment where both libs and conservatives can live and prosper. Red cities are all about exclusion, busy debating pointless issues like sharia law, same sex washrooms, and illegal voting. I will take some idiocy like “safe spaces” over a debate on shariah law…7 days a week.

You’re all over the place, and don’t understand what is happening in America. Back up, delete everything you think you know, start over.