The thing is a that we have seen millions of stars (literally), none of them showed this kind of light pattern. This sounds like special cases more than a natural phenomenon.
Sweep_the_Leg:
So what is the simplest explanation?
I’ve been following this closely. It’s one of the most intriguing deep space anomalies to date and has all the top astrophysicists stumped. So, I’m calling for a Ringworld type scenario. If anyone is unfamiliar, start reading the book now.
Also, where’s Mobius Striptease when we need him?
The simplest explanations have been discarded until now by official astronomers, that is what triggered this discussion around the world.
Nice book btw, I will get that book surely.
Harrogath:
Sweep_the_Leg:
So what is the simplest explanation?
I’ve been following this closely. It’s one of the most intriguing deep space anomalies to date and has all the top astrophysicists stumped. So, I’m calling for a Ringworld type scenario. If anyone is unfamiliar, start reading the book now.
Also, where’s Mobius Striptease when we need him?
The simplest explanations have been discarded until now by official astronomers, that is what triggered this discussion around the world.
Nice book btw, I will get that book surely.
That was my entire point buddy. This is why we need country designations back. I believe something was lost in translation.
Sweep_the_Leg:
Harrogath:
If scientists are in trouble finding a common answer for this, I might try to open my sight and embrace a bigger set of possibilities. The method they use for detecting planets far far away seems very informative (little chance of mistake), so really big objects are orbiting those stars. What are those objects? I can’t tell.
Those other news are interesting btw, but not as interesting as this
Alluding to what DOW wrote, you seem to be uninformed on scientific history regarding discovery with emphasis on the cosmos. Planets passing in front of their host stars is not the only way exoplanets are discovered and there are serious limitations on all methods. I suggest reading this book . It’s a fantastic read with language that makes complex subjects easy to understand.
I hate to sound all uppity on the subject. The truth is that we don’t know what it is, but it will be really cool to find out. To jump to wild hypothesis of fantastic advanced civilizations within our sight is just, well, out there.
Meh, not really. It’s not likely, but scientists have ruled out all the “common” causes that could diminish the brightness of the star(s). So it has to be something we haven’t encountered or something we have but haven’t thought of in this particular scenario before.
I guess I’m not really disagreeing with you. I’m just more hyped about it.
What is that unknown fact that we haven’t noticed so far that explain the light flickering of those stars?. This kind of thinking tends to desperately find a simple answer like data mining bias do.
Oh yup, sorry if I misunderstood. Your first question leaded me to answer it haha.
igor555:
Harrogath:
Destroyer_of_Worlds:
Agree with KMD, but this should not be interpreted as “I don’t believe in the probability of advanced extraterrestrial civilizations.” In fact, given the sheer size of the universe, it’s almost certain. That doesn’t mean they travel here, and that doesn’t mean any of them built a Dyson Sphere. All it means is that, fantastic explanations are almost always replaced by mundane explanations as we look at the history of scientific discovery. It’s just as possible that some hitherto unknown property of the universe can explain what’s happening with those observations as it is that advanced civilizations have built a super stellar cosmic structure around those stars.
I will disagree with this. There are a lot of mysteries or at least non-senses still unexplained by science nowadays. Also, the “official science” try to “explain” those things in a way that lacks logic and common sense. I mean that official history and sciences contradict themselves many times. For example, the at the Giza Complex, there is a door made by 3 monoliths, the one in the top is 200 tons and historians say Egyptians didn’t know the crane, the pole, etc.
Is it a legitimate question to ask how those people lifted a 200 ton rock 2 meters on the air and put it precisely on the other two just to build a door? I think this is not a mundane question, and there are countless questions like this everywhere.
Forget about that show, just answer my question please
Really apart of aliens theory, I just want a real explanation or in lack of thereof just to say We Don’t Know Sh.it About It. Since that people will be free to state whatever they want without conflicting with “official” history.
Sweep_the_Leg:
So what is the simplest explanation?
I’ve been following this closely. It’s one of the most intriguing deep space anomalies to date and has all the top astrophysicists stumped. So, I’m calling for a Ringworld type scenario. If anyone is unfamiliar, start reading the book now.
Also, where’s Mobius Striptease when we need him?
Well, Occam’s Razor suggest not necessarily the simplest explanation, but the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions . So, inventing an inventing a whole can-o-worms advanced civilization AND their sophisticated equipment that we can barely imagine is NOT making the few assumptions. I would lean more toward perhaps lack of vigor on the “ruling out” studies. If I am going to make assumptions, I am going to assume there is something about the physics of stars that we have not yet observed. I am assuming this star’s spectrum has remained constant and therefore rules out the possibility the stars are simply transitioning in their lifecycle or many of the other natural phenomenon that has been hypothesized. Perhaps we have been so focused on the flux, that the possibility that the spectrum has been disrupted to make it seem constant or not unusual could be a factor. There are also other assumptions about the physics of these stars or the equipment that is being used to observe them that are still on the table as possible explanations.
Don’t get me wrong, I want the Dyson Sphere Hypothesis to be right! I just wouldn’t put money on it
KMeriwetherD:
Sweep_the_Leg:
So what is the simplest explanation?
I’ve been following this closely. It’s one of the most intriguing deep space anomalies to date and has all the top astrophysicists stumped. So, I’m calling for a Ringworld type scenario. If anyone is unfamiliar, start reading the book now.
Also, where’s Mobius Striptease when we need him?
Well, Occam’s Razor suggest not necessarily the simplest explanation, but the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions . So, inventing an inventing a whole can-o-worms advanced civilization AND their sophisticated equipment that we can barely imagine is NOT making the few assumptions. I would lean more toward perhaps lack of vigor on the “ruling out” studies. If I am going to make assumptions, I am going to assume there is something about the physics of stars that we have not yet observed. I am assuming this star’s spectrum has remained constant and therefore rules out the possibility the stars are simply transitioning in their lifecycle or many of the other natural phenomenon that has been hypothesized. Perhaps we have been so focused on the flux, that the possibility that the spectrum has been disrupted to make it seem constant or not unusual could be a factor. There are also other assumptions about the physics of these stars or the equipment that is being used to observe them that are still on the table as possible explanations.
Don’t get me wrong, I want the Dyson Sphere Hypothesis to be right! I just wouldn’t put money on it
KMD, you know I love your body so I hate to offend you, but your knowledge in this particular area seems cursory at best. The Kardashev scale is nothing new and it makes perfect sense. If you’re basing your position on the number of assumptions being made, you’ve just marginalized the entire fields of theoretical physics and astrobiology.
Sweep_the_Leg:
KMeriwetherD:
Sweep_the_Leg:
So what is the simplest explanation?
I’ve been following this closely. It’s one of the most intriguing deep space anomalies to date and has all the top astrophysicists stumped. So, I’m calling for a Ringworld type scenario. If anyone is unfamiliar, start reading the book now.
Also, where’s Mobius Striptease when we need him?
Well, Occam’s Razor suggest not necessarily the simplest explanation, but the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions . So, inventing an inventing a whole can-o-worms advanced civilization AND their sophisticated equipment that we can barely imagine is NOT making the few assumptions. I would lean more toward perhaps lack of vigor on the “ruling out” studies. If I am going to make assumptions, I am going to assume there is something about the physics of stars that we have not yet observed. I am assuming this star’s spectrum has remained constant and therefore rules out the possibility the stars are simply transitioning in their lifecycle or many of the other natural phenomenon that has been hypothesized. Perhaps we have been so focused on the flux, that the possibility that the spectrum has been disrupted to make it seem constant or not unusual could be a factor. There are also other assumptions about the physics of these stars or the equipment that is being used to observe them that are still on the table as possible explanations.
Don’t get me wrong, I want the Dyson Sphere Hypothesis to be right! I just wouldn’t put money on it
KMD, you know I love your body so I hate to offend you, but your knowledge in this particular area seems cursory at best
Occam’s Razor deduction part 2… you’re a douche
Maybe, but you engaged in a thread that’s either beyond you or you’re not putting in the effort to explain your position. I take astronomy and astrophysics very seriously…it’s a hobby of mine and I’ve put in a fair amount of time researching the subjects. It’s totally cool to hop in a thread that you’re interested in and contribute on any level, but your contributions don’t really make any sense without further expansion on your part. Rather than sounding like S2000 (not that there’s anything wrong with that, just not my style) I attempted to add some levity to the post without calling you out too explicitly.
Please believe me when I say if I truly offended you in any way, I really don’t care. I hope you’ll put this incident behind us when I patronize your establishment.
Sweep_the_Leg:
Maybe, but you engaged in a thread that’s either beyond you or you’re not putting in the effort to explain your position. I take astronomy and astrophysics very seriously…it’s a hobby of mine and I’ve put in a fair amount of time researching the subjects. It’s totally cool to hop in a thread that you’re interested in and contribute on any level, but your contributions don’t really make any sense without further expansion on your part. Rather than sounding like S2000 (not that there’s anything wrong with that, just not my style) I attempted to add some levity to the post without calling you out too explicitly.
Please believe me when I say if I truly offended you in any way, I really don’t care. I hope you’ll put this incident behind us when I patronize your establishment.
FINE…NEW RULE
If you want to post about astrophysics, you must first post a topless selfie.
Dpack26
September 9, 2016, 7:09pm
#34
Star Wars: KOTOR (the good one) - Already did this
Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Did this as well but it was far less cool than what KOTOR did.
That’s my contribution to this topic. I will be posting a topless selfie shortly.
Come on guys… hug each other. This is a just a game.
Now a french kiss!
Dyson spheres?
Seriously?
Do you realize how big 93 million miles is?
ohai
September 9, 2016, 9:12pm
#40
What does this have to do with vacuum cleaners and towel-less hand drying machines?
