i bet itera loves the white powder
nani troll is a thread pooper
try portugal
they give addicts (heavy drugs) help, rather than throwing them in prison
Perfect information seems like an impossibly high standard to meet before developing an opinion about anything.
Opinions can be based on better or worse informed evidence, but if we require perfect information, then I daresay that none of us should ever have opinions about anything, including whether one needs perfect information.
You’re not doing it right…
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
That’s the thing, if you don’t have substantial information and research then really your “opinion” is just as good as any other people’s. I just dont htink that just because you take different or opposing stand on something you need to say something like “admit you are wrong, you don’t have an argument”, like he received a phd on this subject matter?
Fair enough. To be honest, I couldn’t be bothered to follow the whole discussion closely.
So “perfect information” was perhaps rhetorical hyperbole, which makes sense if it was.
But it does seem that any time we are trying to predict the consequences of legalizing or criminalizing certain activities as pervasive as drug use, all of us are basically down to making guesses - some more informed than others - but guesses nonetheless. No one is perfectly informed on this stuff; all we can do is point out what points are likely being over or underestimated, or not propertly considered. Heck, we can’t even figure out what 10y rates should be, and that stuff’s all legal.
Saying “you don’t have an argument” seems extreme as well, though again, I didn’t wade through all the details. I know that lots of posters here throw around unsubstantiated assertions with the certainty of God Himself, and you were right to defend yourself if that’s what happened.
Here you are telling me I’m not doing pot right.
STL is telling me I’m not doing porn right.
BS probably would tell me I’m not shooting my guns right.
It’s like you guys are making my feelings hurt. T^T
This issue is not about opinions of whether smoking pot is good/bad. It’s about adults trying to regulate a benign activity. For pot to be banned it means there are punishments for holding or using it. That there is no discernible victim to this crime tells me that while you might find it distasteful you have no business agitating for others to be punished should they use or hold pot. You seem to have boundary issues when it comes to recognizing a suitable basis for regulating other people’s behavior.
Why can’t I stop looking.
Not quite as bad as tubgirl, but close.
Crap, how did you turn my webcam on without my knowing?
Did my post get removed? Huh…no hairy dudes in speedos. Got it.
What’d I miss?
I didn’t remove it, but it was in that grey area where I’m not too surprised that someone else did.
I just dont’ believe in legalizing and then imposing 100 regulations to restrict people from using it, where is appropriate, in what form and in what dosage, what age and for what health condition… it’s like why bother?
While you can make it illegal, it doens’t mean the law has to be enforced 100% of the time, just like littering or speeding. many countries have not legalized marijana but police don’t arrest every person they see smoking weed on the street.
It’s more of a psychological/ social message than anything else, it’s almost like saying that “we have been banning this drug for so long but now it’s legal, because it is proven to be safe!” i think it will encourage people to start smoking if nothing else.
Did past presidents smoke?
YES #35 - John F. Kennedy: JFK used marijuana to deal with severe back pain, according to a few written accounts, including “John F. Kennedy: A Biography”, which described this White House scene: “On the evening of July 16, 1962, according to [Washington Post executive] Jim Truitt, Kennedy and Mary Meyer smoked marijuana together. … The president smoked three of the six joints Mary brought to him. At first he felt no effects. Then he closed his eyes and refused a fourth joint. ‘Suppose the Russians did something now,’ he said.”
From President #17 Andrew Johnson to President #34 Dwight Eisenhower, we have almost nothing in the way of historical record of presidents smoking pot. Pre-Civil War America was a land of hemp farmers and slaves who could commonly roll up some hemp leaf as a smoke. Post-Civil War America heralded the development of pre-rolled tobacco cigarettes and prejudice against the Mexican immigrants who smoked “marihuana”. Cannabis was becoming a patent medicine, so perhaps some presidents used it in that fashion. But by the turn of the 20th century, the temperance movement was in full swing and states were beginning to prohibit cannabis. Pot smoking is not likely to be something the late 19th and early 20th century presidents wanted recorded for posterity, if they did it at all.
YES #14 - Franklin Pierce: One of three military men to become president who enjoyed smoking marijuana with the troops fighting the Mexican-American War. In a letter to his family, Pierce wrote that marijuana smoking was “about the only good thing” about the war.
YES #12 - Zachary Taylor: Another of the three military men who smoked marijuana with the troops.
YES #7 - Andrew Jackson: Third of the three military men whose letters referred to smoking marijuana with the troops.
YES #5 - James Monroe: Openly smoked hashish while he was Ambassador to France and continued smoking it until his death at age 73.
YES #4 - James Madison: The “Father of the Constitution” claimed that hemp gave him the insight to create a new democratic nation.
YES #3 - Thomas Jefferson: In addition to farming hemp, Jefferson was Ambassador to France during the hashish era there. At risk of imprisonment if caught, Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China known for their potency to America. However, as far as our research takes us, he never said or wrote, “Some of my finest hours have been spent sitting on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see.”
YES #1 - George Washington: The father of our country kept meticulous diaries, wherein he noted “Sowed hemp at muddy hole by swamp” away from the hemp he grew for fiber. “Began to separate the male from female plants at do [sic --rather too late” and “Pulling up the (male) hemp. Was too late for the blossom hemp by three weeks or a month” indicates he was going for female plants with higher THC content. There is also indication he used hemp preparations to deal with his toothaches.
source: hightimes.com
Having hundreds of regs is inconsistent with making it legal so that’s really a non starter. The whole point of legalization is to get rid of the rules, not expand them. If you don’t legalize it the trafficking is still going to go on in the black market which for a number of reasons is worse than bringing the retail above ground. Finally whether the legalization promotes use or not is irrelevant. Part of being an adult is making your own choices. Government has no business making policy based on desired outcomes. If you need someone to tell you what to consume and what not to consume, hire a mentor or something. I’d like to decide for myself tyvm