#whatsAlphiesEthnicity?
#anytakers?
If you still can’t understand, you never will. Got work to do.
#weakTAPOUT
I rather figured that you didn’t have an answer to this.
Nor to the circular logic comment earlier.
Fortunately, I’m not disappointed; I hadn’t set my expectations that high.
Tables 22 and 23 are for your original post, I believe. https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/85992/bymcatscoresandgpas.html…The AAMC publishes this stuff as available (quite regularly).
For this post-- the filter is “low” if you look at it from this perspective. Generally, though, those with lower Step 1 scores are extremely limited in the specialties they can choose (some students don’t even match into residency immediately, others are forced to practice in a field they didn’t have as a first choice). It’s very unlikely nowadays to have an “average” board score appear in the complicated specialties. Additionally, you need to consider that the average medical school matriculant scored around the 70-75th percentile on the MCAT with a similar GPA (mean MCAT score has been increasing as well for matriculants). The vast majority of the USMLE Step examinees are from this top quartile (roughly, and including some from different programs that sit for the Step exams), simply because they’re the ones who were admitted to medical school. Finally, the medical curriculum is quite rigorous in an attempt to prepare these students as adequately as possible. The Step 1 exam is eight hours long and over three hundred questions in length (questions aren’t capped at four or five choices, either-- some can have around 10 possible choices of highly similar answers). I believe there is a pretty good screening process in place to get to this monster of an exam. I believe the issue arises because no process is perfect, and many people aren’t passionate about the career they choose, or they’re careless. Neither of these things are good, and I certainly think you can run into bad physicians. I think it is imperative, albeit challenging, to find a physician that you are not only comfortable with, but also have faith in their abilities.
Overall, average scores are highly unlikely to get you a residency in orthopaedics, neurosurgery, dermatology, etc. The people you see in these fields have likely scored very well in an already-narrowed group of candidates. I completely agree with you, though, that you need to be careful in picking the correct doctor for yourself (primary care included). I just think there’s a bit more to the Step exam and the medical school “filter” process than you presented initially.
Answer was already posted, you and Hashdork should try reading the thread.
Gonna give the win by submission to S2000 and hashtag.
I am not at all surprised to find the results.
The truth is, there are more qualified Asian applications than probably other races, so if they apply the same rules and metrics to everyone, the whole school will be predominantly Asians. They need to “balance” the racial percentage by accepting less Asians, thus the lower acceptance rate.
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why do they “need” to balance. and by doing so, isn’t that the very definition of racism?
Agree with Itera 100%. ‘balancing’ is complete nonsense
Maybe they’re just looking at other aspects besides test scores. Like the fact that practically all major innovation in the past 150 years did not occur in Asia or that despite dominating the world population the top 25 wealthiest people are not Asian.
Or as WB said, "“You don’t need to be a rocket scientist. Investing is not a game where the guy with the 160 IQ beats the guy with 130 IQ.”
and
“The most important quality for an investor is temperament, not intellect. You need a temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd or against the crowd.”
No really. 40K years huh. Did you just reach behind and pull that number out?
Oh well, done with you.
Maybe we should balance by height, weight, personality, marital status, sexual orientation, breast size, phallus length, parental income and we need proportional representation of those that grew up in a broken home compared to those that were not. Why you ask? Because something as important as determining our supply of doctors should not be left to something as silly as fitness for the job.
On a serious note, the problem is the artificially limited med school slots. Medicine does not need to be norm based. If someone meets the standard, they should be able to compete in the marketplace, what’s left of it in healthcare anyway. The current system turns away many qualified candidates, evidenced by the admission data. This is detrimental to society and only benefits the practitioner at a huge cost to everyone else. Yes, I know residency slots are a problem as well, but many of those go unfilled. There is never an unfilled US med school slot.
Imagine a office visit where the doctor is waiting for you and is actually appreciative of your business. Gasp!
See the forest in spite of the trees.
I don’t disagree with much of what you have to say but I don’t think this is a valid explanation at all. There is simply no way innovation is a function of race and Asian-Americans are less predisposed towards innovation than other racial groups at the end of High School. If you had said first-gen immigrations who hail from under-developed countries it might be more believable as they would perhaps look at solidifying their position in the middle-class before taking ‘risks’. These people would come under the ‘International’ category for admissions though and affirmative action has no impact on them.
Sure , but innovation is again a byproduct of whichever reigon is top of the pile. When China , India , Egypt (insert random ancient civilization) were at the top they were the ones making strides in Astronomy , Math and Science. There are signs that we are coming full circle too.
The Chinese space station scheduled for a 2022 launch is expected to be on time and this will coincide with the decomission of the ISS. There have been whispers that the people on the forefront of American space programs expect the Chinese to be the leaders of space exploration in the coming century. I don’t know if you followed but around the same time the Europeans landed on a comet , India become the only country to enter Mars on it’s first attempt. The budget? Wait for it - Less than the film Gravity.
Population size is irrelevant when it comes to a list of wealthiest people. The wealthiest people are ‘Westerners’ because this is where the money is and as money flows into Asia rapidly coinciding with a re-jig in the existing political order we will see a massive shake-up in that list.
Yeah. One of the biggest problem is the time span of education doctors require in the United States. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a change sometime soon allowing people to begin their training at the undergrad level rather than satisifying pre-requisites that take 2-3 years.
Why is that a problem? Plenty of people lining up that want to go through the current system. I would agree if there were not enough qualified candidates. I would like to see it easier for foreign doctors to become qualified to work in the US. I’ve met financial sales guys that are MDs from other countries. We don’t need more people that masquerade as financial advisors.
If it was not so expensive or time consuming to become a doctor, perhaps even more people would be attracted to the profession and the quality of care would improve. There’s nothing “wrong” with the quality of US doctors, from what I can tell, but that does not mean that it is impossible to push even further ahead of the rest of the world.
In general, it is also hard to argue that the supply of doctors in the US is not suppressed by AMA hurdles. Optimally, perhaps there should be more doctor jobs, and selectivity could be maintained by making medical training less unnecessarily arduous.
Not even remotely.
Note all of the innovations that came from Scotland, historically one of the poorest nations in Western Europe.
Yeah! Finally, someone speaks up for the four most important innovations - haggis, scotch, bagpipes and a healthy breeze around your privates!
(J/K, I knew of macadam roads before I looked up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries but tractor beam! Alright! Beam me up, Scotty!)*
* I know, mixing Star Wars and Start Trek.
I’m not sure where this conversation was going, but I suspect that on average, richer Western European countries innovate at a measurably higher rate than Scotland.