Homosexuality is rampant among the lower classes in Saudi. Unfortunately, I know this because I worked among these people for a bit. Their heterosexual choices were not abundant. Apparently, you can have as many wives as a you can afford. Makes it tough for the poor man. Probably analogous to why prisoners bone each other…Just thought I’d add some color.
Let’s hear some experiences you’ve had.
They only got as far as touching my knee. Their peers would teach them not to touch the beautiful white man.
This thread is way off the rails.
Won’t find this stuff in the history books or the Economist.
He was responding to posts criticizing institutionalized sharia. So by definition, it was a defense of institutionalized sharia in the context of the discussion.
Re: the rest, my response to Carson a few posts ago and my response to you a few posts before that (stating that I wouldn’t consider him an extremist either) helps to clarify my view on that a bit (ie I don’t consider myself to be a moderate in this discussion either). Basically, it would be someone with a relatively neutral perspective. But that’s my view and I don’t know why you’re so obsessed / hung up on it. It’s largely irrelevant to the broader discussion. As I said before, we clearly have different views on this. Big whoop. I don’t think he is, you do, who cares. I don’t think it’s worth four posts.
to summarise:
Ohai is Indonesian and gets feisty when he drinks whisky
Isuldurr is back
BS is a hardcore BNP supporter
It was an eye opening experience and conversion would have been in name only (also she was half Kuwaiti). Like I said, I don’t hate Muslims themselves. Definitely the opposite. But Islam definitely has a poisonous effect on that region. Her experiences growing up and the difficulties she’s facing now only add to my current views. As part of the whole process I spent several trips in both Egypt and Kuwait probably amounting to under two months over a period of two years plus a buttload of time on skype and a short stop in KSA her family helped setup through a tour agency.
In one example, she got pregnant as a teenager (sorry Audacious, but your teen pregnancy stat suffers from a reporting bias). Her parents flew her home to Kuwait. While the plane was in the air her uncle who was high up in government in Egypt had some police publically beat the guy in a street and break both of his arms. When she landed, her parents took her straight home where she was forced to undergo a backrooom abortion which I understand was relatively bloody and painful. Afterwards, her hymen was sewn up (apparently something the upper class does after every boyfriend) and she was a virgin again (she swore by this), good as new. Just another day in the Middle East, I guess. Lovely place to be a woman.
But sure, recognizing the realities of Islam’s effects on nearly every major Muslim country from a human rights or violence perspective means I must be a BNP supporter who hates Muslims. No, I want the best for them and watching her deal with the region as a single female (something I ultlimately chose not to dive into) I am vehemently opposed to the IDEOLOGY, not the ethnic background.
Anal sex is much more common in muslim countries due to the whole hymen issue.But the hymen thing has a cultural aspect to it as well.
And to be clear, if Catholicism still had a similar institutionalized grip on the modern world as it had on Europe I would be be having the same discussion.
Just for clarification, the BNP thing was a flippant comment because I find it hilarious that you accidently quoted them in earnest rather than a view on your arguments/views.
My bad.
Any set of belief that does not allow self reflection and is not subject to scrutiny.
These western EU cities more and more look like the Middle East … seems, soon all Westerners would remove to Eastern Europe.
such a fine woman
holy sh*t they are dead. were on the phone with their mother right before the blast. this is sad
http://gothamist.com/2016/03/25/nyc_siblings_killed_brussels_air.php
Nooooo! A hot classy babe was killed?!?!?! The terrorists have gone too far!!!
I once met a guy that grew up gay in the middle east and the way he desribed it is that so much of their culture is built around preserving the purity of women, it becomes very difficult for young men to find ways to get their hole.
So the reality is that they’re very against homosexuality in the western sense, ie eschewing heternormative traditions in favour of moving in with Michael in an apartment in a formerly industrial/gritty part of town that will soon have 3 wholefoods, getting a french bulldog and happily waiting in line for 40 minutes on a sunday morning to check out a new brunch spot that has 17 type of sourdough, but not so much against homosexuality in the sense of getting down with a dude… as long as you’re the shunter and not the grunter.
I remember my ex FIL had a gardener who lived at their house and took care of the house.Dude was from the oil rich Aran part of Iran and he claimed bestality among men was something as common as smoking.I have never travelled to those villages myself but I know it is a commom issue there.