In light of the US election a lot has been said on this forum about Canada’s universal health care system. I came accross an article today that makes a strong case (IMHO) against universal health care: http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1040883.html Should your tax dollars be covering sex change operations? I don’t think so, but some politicians do.
LOL. Boy does this hit close to home. I’d be cautious against condeming a nation-wide health care system based upon what YOUTH WING, for a THIRD PLACE PARTY in a SMALL PROVINCE, ASPIRES to do. That being said, I have quite a few conatcts in the Nova Scotia Young Liberals, and I must say this is a sad day for their party. They have a good history of promoting libretarian policy.
I totally agree. The libs. have gone too far. In San Fran. companies already have to pay for an employee’s sex change… I got an email from my father. It was a video on youtube talking about how Canadians are paying brokers to find them healthcare in the US!!! Why? B/c they cannot afford to wait to recieve healthcare. Canada’s Universal Health care system is fundamentally flawed and has caused severe problems. On the surface Universal Health care sounds like a great idea… but sounding like a great idea is not enough. Its nothing more than a feeling or an emotion. There needs to be some actual evidence presented that this new system will work well. Unfortunetly this is the flaw in our system. Politicians know all too well the majority base most of their assumptions on feelings alone. Think about this as well. Universal Healthcare is going to benefit whom? The poor and the irresponsible mostly? I say irresponsible b/c think of all the Fat Lazy people out there that don’t give two shits about their health. With Universal Health care, you have removed more of an incentive for people to care for themselves. I take very good care of myself: eat extremely healthy, no smoking, drink on occasion (a glass of wine maybe on the weekends), do killer workouts that UFC fighters do. I realize I am an extreme. But why should I have to pay for someone else who doesnt care about his or her body? You want to talk about fairness libs? How is that fair??? I can think of what this taxation is similar to… Slavery. Yep I know its extreme, but when you think about it you are working so someone else can benefit. Now the system is suppose to work both ways. You put in your pull as do others… However, it doesnt quite work this way. Like I said, I take very good care of myself. Why should I be tied to a system where everyone can just say “hey I dont give a shit, the govt. (ME) will pay for it.” Now you’ve just removed my incentive. DIDNT THE FREAKING LIBS. LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE FAILURE OF SOCIALISM IN THE PAST!!!
Another interesting note is in the linked article which is also wildly concidental as it pertains to the use of “CFA” on the east coast as it often used out here to label an outsider as a “come from away”. See what I have to deal with!
CFABLACKBELT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I totally agree. The libs. have gone too far. In > San Fran. companies already have to pay for an > employee’s sex change… > > I got an email from my father. It was a video on > youtube talking about how Canadians are paying > brokers to find them healthcare in the US!!! > Why? B/c they cannot afford to wait to recieve > healthcare. > > Canada’s Universal Health care system is > fundamentally flawed and has caused severe > problems. > > On the surface Universal Health care sounds like a > great idea… but sounding like a great idea is > not enough. Its nothing more than a feeling or an > emotion. There needs to be some actual evidence > presented that this new system will work well. > > Unfortunetly this is the flaw in our system. > Politicians know all too well the majority base > most of their assumptions on feelings alone. > > Think about this as well. Universal Healthcare is > going to benefit whom? The poor and the > irresponsible mostly? I say irresponsible b/c > think of all the Fat Lazy people out there that > don’t give two shits about their health. With > Universal Health care, you have removed more of an > incentive for people to care for themselves. > > I take very good care of myself: eat extremely > healthy, no smoking, drink on occasion (a glass of > wine maybe on the weekends), do killer workouts > that UFC fighters do. I realize I am an extreme. > But why should I have to pay for someone else who > doesnt care about his or her body? > > You want to talk about fairness libs? How is that > fair??? I can think of what this taxation is > similar to… > > Slavery. Yep I know its extreme, but when you > think about it you are working so someone else can > benefit. Now the system is suppose to work both > ways. You put in your pull as do others… > > However, it doesnt quite work this way. Like I > said, I take very good care of myself. Why should > I be tied to a system where everyone can just say > “hey I dont give a shit, the govt. (ME) will pay > for it.” > > Now you’ve just removed my incentive. > > DIDNT THE FREAKING LIBS. LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE > FAILURE OF SOCIALISM IN THE PAST!!! LOL CFA. I’m pretty sure your preaching to the choir! I don’t think many board members here are Democratic Undergrounders or MoveOn-ers!!!
It is not healthcare, but… ANOTHER REASON TO CALL IT OFF A Japanese marketing firm recently extended a proverbial Kleenex to its colleagues. Employees of Hime & Co. can take “heartache leave” after a particularly bad breakup. According to CEO Miki Hiradate, people need a chance to grieve so they can return to work refreshed. Staff under 24 years old get one day to cry it out, but those over 30 get three. “Women in their 20s can find their next love quickly,” the CEO told Reuters, “but it’s tougher for women in their 30s, and their breakups tend to be more serious.”
What’s so suprising we are a nation that promotes same-sex marriage. It is 2008 dude not 1950s, we are a democratic nation, if most of the country beleives that a person in this situation has a serious illness, therefore the state should correct that illness. In ontario we also allow breast reduction for men, my friend who lost 150 pnds after high school, would not take off his shirt, before he got it done. With universial health care, you can not truly choose what “operations to allow” and “what not to allow”. That breaks the whole ideology of Universial Health Care.
CFABLACKBELT - I agree with most of your views however no matter how healthy your lifestyle is some things are not in your control …if your in a tragic accident/mishap and need medical assistance for the rest of your life …how is that your fault ? Tons of people live very healthy lifestyles but can still get a long term illness . There are definitley people that abuse the health care / welfare system in Canda and that is just despicable because they are taking the help away from people that really need it . And we shouldnt have to pay for sex changes that is just a load of crap .
Well said, Rudeboi
CFABLACKBELT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I take very good care of myself: eat extremely > healthy, no smoking, drink on occasion (a glass of > wine maybe on the weekends), do killer workouts > that UFC fighters do. I realize I am an extreme. Lol @ “extreme”. You probably some dude who does some measly 6 hours/week of MMA just so he can say that he does “killer workouts that UFC fighters do” and then wear TapouT t-shirts when you go out… your not an extreme, alot of people do what you do. then you say whoever uses a universal health care system is “fat and lazy”…sure. Lets hope you dont get cancer one day, or else you’ll be FAT and LAZY for not taking care of your body. haha.
> Why should I be tied to a system where everyone can > just say “hey I dont give a @#$%&, the govt. (ME) will pay for it.” I dont think anyone thinks like that. Who would say “ill go eat at McD’s everyday just so I can screw the gov’t and the taxpayers out of their money”? no one!
Mez Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CFABLACKBELT Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I take very good care of myself: eat extremely > > healthy, no smoking, drink on occasion (a glass > of > > wine maybe on the weekends), do killer workouts > > that UFC fighters do. I realize I am an > extreme. > > Lol @ “extreme”. You probably some dude who does > some measly 6 hours/week of MMA just so he can say > that he does “killer workouts that UFC fighters > do” and then wear TapouT t-shirts when you go > out… your not an extreme, alot of people do what > you do. > > then you say whoever uses a universal health care > system is “fat and lazy”…sure. Lets hope you > dont get cancer one day, or else you’ll be FAT and > LAZY for not taking care of your body. > > haha. Hey asshole until I moved to NYC a few weeks ago for my first job. My roommate in Tampa was Matt Arroyo. He’s on the UFC and I use to do training with him daily. So no I didn’t do 6 measly hrs a week. Why don’t u think what u say b/f making erroneous assumptions. Maybe one day I will get cancer, actually why don’t I start smoking now and get lung cancer. Then you can pay my bill as I go quit my job and live off welfare. After all I need it right??? My point is that I don’t want to pay for someone who doesn’t take the incentive to care for him or herself. Your correct, sometimes things happen in life that are uncontrollable. 6 months ago I fractured my collar bone in half while in wrestling class. Shit happens and I don’t dispute that. However, I didn’t ask anyone to pay for it. No one is forcing me to practice a dangerous sport. A lot of my savings from my college jobs went into that surgery. Sucks. The easy road would have been to ask YOU to pay for it. I did have a speedy surgery though. Didn’t have to wait long at all. If I had to wait like 1-2months… that would have been terrible. My fractured bones wouldve started to mend, making it very difficult to perform the operation. Hence more $$$. Universal Health Care is like most other socialist ideals, they rely on the faulty assumption that people will act morally responsible. Its the real world, this just doesn’t happen.
Mez Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Why should I be tied to a system where everyone > can > > just say “hey I dont give a @#$%&, the govt. > (ME) will pay for it.” > > I dont think anyone thinks like that. Who would > say “ill go eat at McD’s everyday just so I can > screw the gov’t and the taxpayers out of their > money”? no one! Maybe not directly wanting to screw the govt. but ppl will say, hey why should I care. I don’t have to pay for it.
No offense but your just screaming and using the same point again. Granted Universial health care has free-riders, like a socialist/goverment good, thats simple economics. But there is alot of other reasons and articles on the web, for why a country like the US fails without Universial Health Care. Heck you can even connect it to productivity. Ever read any IMF or development economics? You are taking a very extreme view, that just because you were lucky enough to have various jobs to pay off a small surgery, others with “way way” worse cases can handle this. I guess you also sit on the same side of the fence that we shouldn’t send Aid to africa since its useless. Those africans can figure it out themselves right? Canada as whole, does not agree with you on such things. This is why we don’t spend a trillion dollars a year trying to conquer Iraq, and we currently have one of the most stable economies in the G8.
I agree. There is a lot of support for Universal Health Care. In theory its not that bad of an idea. But, in the States it will be abused horribly. I don’t know how to solve the problems for providing proper healthcare to the people who really need it… b/c how do you establish who really needs it? Same goes for welfare. Who really needs it? And if you bring in these social programs where does it stop? I seriously doubt the people who brought in universal health care thought future users would want sex changes. You could come up with a dozens arguments for why people should be paying for someone elses sex change or other ridiculous requests. Doesn’t make the arguments right. Conquering Iraq? Why are you bringing things out of left field here. I didn’t support the war even from the beginning. but all of this is irrelevent. I am for sending aid to Africa. But im not for just throwing cash at the problem. That has not and will not solve the problems that face Africa.
CFABLACKBELT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey asshole until I moved to NYC a few weeks ago > for my first job. My roommate in Tampa was Matt > Arroyo. He’s on the UFC and I use to do training > with him daily. So no I didn’t do 6 measly hrs a > week. Why don’t u think what u say b/f making > erroneous assumptions. Again, no need to go crazy. 1) Im not an asshole, I just hate the “posers” who think just cuz they take 2 MMA classes a week can say they do “killer UFC workouts”. If you’ve trained MMA as long as you claim, you’ll know what Im talking about…and thats exactly how you came off originally 2) No need to brag about the fact that you train with Matt. He looks like a good fighter…no doubt, but that in no way compares to where I train, yet you don’t see me bragging about KILLER UFC WORKOUTS. Hint hint, my gym is called “Home of the champions” in Canada and we have had NUMEROUS people fight (and dominate) in the UFC *cough*cough* can you say Georges-you-know-who? 3) If I offended you, my bad, its just my “anti-poser” defense that Ive developed from little kids running about screaming they train MMA; and you came across like that
Mez Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CFABLACKBELT Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Hey asshole until I moved to NYC a few weeks > ago > > for my first job. My roommate in Tampa was > Matt > > Arroyo. He’s on the UFC and I use to do > training > > with him daily. So no I didn’t do 6 measly hrs > a > > week. Why don’t u think what u say b/f making > > erroneous assumptions. > > Again, no need to go crazy. > 1) Im not an asshole, I just hate the “posers” who > think just cuz they take 2 MMA classes a week can > say they do “killer UFC workouts”. If you’ve > trained MMA as long as you claim, you’ll know what > Im talking about…and thats exactly how you came > off originally > > 2) No need to brag about the fact that you train > with Matt. He looks like a good fighter…no > doubt, but that in no way compares to where I > train, yet you don’t see me bragging about KILLER > UFC WORKOUTS. Hint hint, my gym is called “Home of > the champions” in Canada and we have had NUMEROUS > people fight (and dominate) in the UFC > *cough*cough* can you say Georges-you-know-who? > > 3) If I offended you, my bad, its just my > “anti-poser” defense that Ive developed from > little kids running about screaming they train > MMA; and you came across like that St. Pierre’s da man. “I was not impressed by ur performance” love it. Nah its cool bro. Just venting online a bit. Sick of hearing our future presidents misguided policies. Then again I was never happy with this one’s either. I’ve encountered the “I trained once this week” MMA guys ur talkin bout. Does make for fun at the low end MMA fights, especially when they break out in the stands =) Good ol redneck fun. Have a good weekend man.
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No worries cfablackbelt. Online venting is commonplace here :P. My mistake again if I came off offensive (especially too a fellow MMA warrior). You have a great weekend too. This thread was hijacked hard. sowwy jabroni
Hey bud, Sorry for the left field, but you were rambling like a crazy MMA fighter for a while there. I agree with your points. I totally think both Clinton and Obama are nuts and should pickup just a simple Macroeconomics book. Also angering Flathery on NAFTA is not the way to go, you don’t threaten to pull out on public TV, I do not care how bad you need the votes. So I agree the US can not consider something Universal health Care, before they solve many many other issues. Beginning with Immigration. You can’t give health care to people who are not citizens, but you can not open your borders and say everyone come on in and get “health care!”. Also for any socialist ideology to work, you need to begin with citizens taking part, as in voting and being educated properly. Again which has to do with immigration and other issues. Furthermore times change, and if using a democratic method some whacko can get such a thing covered by state rules, and there is enough support for it. Then I must take the good with the bad.