Canadian Parliament Attacked

why so mad brah? What did Canada ever do to deserve this? They did produce Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, and Justin Bieber dough.

so you deliberately left out nickleback didn’t you… you sonuvabitch

Justin Bieber alone is responsible for 4% of Canada’s GDP. It’s a true fact.

I guess if you can get Canadians riled up, angry, and warlike, you can pretty much do it to anyone. It’s the hard test case for jihadists.

That said, what a sh!tty thing to do. And it’s not even strategically sound. If you want to provoke the West through terrorism, you want to make sure that not everyone is mad at the same time. Otherwise the West becomes too resolved and a harder foe.

It kind of makes sense. If you care enough to attack Canada, no one is safe.

I was thinking about this last night during the World Series game (since the actual game didn’t require my full attention after the first inning). I think KC is a much better target than San Francisco for a big attack. Striking America in the heartland in a smaller market where everyone has always felt safe…that’s some terrorism for you. Or, maybe just me since I’d likely die.

I am at a loss to understand the terrorists’ end game, assuming there is one.

Do they assume Canada will pull out its forces from NATO and run?

US did that once, when the Great Communicator put his tail between his legs and pulled Marines out of Lebanaon after terrorists bombed their barracks in 1983. Other than that, not many instances.

Do they assume the Canadians will over-react, demand security at the expense of liberty and require everyone to strip naked while going through an airport, and allow SIS (their FBI) to detain anyone indefinitely? The Great Decider did that here.

Or maybe Canada will now attack Zimbabwe, kill a million Zimbabweans, spend a trillion in the war and declare “Mission Accomplished.”

Somehow terrorist tactics have worked really well against just one country. Everyone else rolls with the punches and comes back stronger. USA! USA!

I don’t mean to take away from the serious nature of this thread, but Nickelback is Canadian? I’d already given Canada a pass on Bieber because no radio station I listen to plays his music, but this Nickelback news is a game changer. I had previously assumed Nickelback was American trailer trash from the South and am currently struggling with the now tarnished image I have of Canada. Really Canada? Really? Nickelback may be the single worst “popular” band of the last decade plus. Keep that garbage to yourselves.

Sad news today, I hope they catch and punish those responsible.

We currently have in office someone obsessed with the military and whose idol is George W Bush. He was even ready to follow him like a little puppy in 2003 but fortunately for all Canadians he was only leader of the opposition at the time. He also has an orgasm anytime a Canadian F35 flies overseas. I can take down a Canadian F35 with the bow and arrow in my trunk.

Canada’s role should be limited to humanitarian help. That’s our trademark. At most arm our allies on the gound. You don’t directly meddle in other countries without expecting consequences in return. Let them kill each other in the Middle East. The Islamist fanatics multiply when the West gets involved, not the opposite. It’s incredible how some don’t notice that. There is absolutely nothing to gain getting involved other than wasted resources being directed to the military and security… and big brother (the government - ironically always the one claiming for small government) restricting your freedoms and removing your privacy.

We’re like the nerd in high school trying to be something we’re not.

I voted Conservative the last 3 elections but if the current government wants to make foreign affairs the main issue and take one sided positions, I will boot them out on that issue. As much as I hate the left, I’d rather have billions being redistributed for free daycare or lower college tuition than on military equipment and security for conflicts we have no business being in.

^ Canada didn’t play a humanitarian role in WWII, we didn’t play a humanitarian role in Korea, nor did we in Kandahar. No. Canada stands with our western allies and goes where we need to go and does what we need to do. If anything our contribution to the fight against ISIS is light. This is a complete fabrication of our history that Canada only does/is good at humanitarian aid. But its a fabrication popular in Quebec, unfortunately. Canada has obligations to our NATO partners and our partners in the west as a whole. That doesn’t mean just dropping supplies to Kurds. Canada has a proud military history of standing for democracy and freedom. A proud history that Quebec has largely opposed every step of the way. There is a membership fee to be in the free world. Something perhaps we are waking up to today.

I want to vomit. That’s a similar post I was reading back in March 2003 at another board. Only the poster wasn’t named Geo. He surprisingly dissapeared once they didn’t find WMD’s in Saddam Hussein’s beard.

Ironically Iraq is more dangerous today to the West than when Saddam was in power. This is an unwinnable war unless you nuke everyone in the region. You are not fighting soldiers. Fighting ISIS is excactly what ISIS wants. More recruitment, more funding. Welcome to the booby trap.

Funny how those that are most anti government trust government when it comes to foreign affairs. Government is just as incompetent interfering in foreign regions as they are interfering in the economy. We had someone in Iraq that kept radicals under wrap for decades and kept Iran honest. We should have left the invisible hand take care of Iraq like it took care of Egypt and Tunisia. It can’t be worse than what we have today. A few trillions to remove Saddam and most likely another few trillions in this conflict…until another few trillions is spent in a few years to fight the enemy of our enemy.

My message is cut your losses and mind your business.

I’m not completely disagreeing with you. I would be opposed to Canadian ground troops in Iraq today or anything like that. And I opposed Iraq in 2003. But sending six fighter jets, to drop bombs on an enemy that isn’t a real threat to said jets, to help fight ISIS, is a small price. Financially, the pilots need to get their hours in anyway so its probably not a big cost. Importantly, ISIS poses a direct physical threat to Turkey, which is a NATO ally. Everyone gets this, and the threat to wider instability in the region. France is there, Belgium is there, the Dutch, the Danes, the Germans, the Brits, the Kiwis, the Aussies, the Italians, the Swedes. Its not just GWB and Blair on their religious crusades. If we aren’t prepared to contribute military force when nearly the entire civilised world is on side, then we can’t expect their help when we need it. It’s a mutual arrangement, after all. You sound like Trudeau and his whole “we support the mission, as long as someone else does it.”

Please do explain.

Wait there, I think you are mixing things up a bit.

In WWII, many in Quebec refused to fight for a Queen that they loathed.

Then, it is well documented that in many instances the first rows of Canadian soldiers to die in Normandy were, actually, French-Canadians.

So on WWII, it is a mixed picture.

On more modern conflicts, my God, Geo, you should be happy that approximately one quarter of Canada’s population (in Quebec) is systematically sceptical of imperialist wars. Are the redneck retards in Alberta that hang on Bush’s nuts prouder than the people in Quebec who actually have a mind of their own ?

I am damn proud of the fact that Quebec wishes not to take part in anglo-american imperialism, especially the Bush/Redneck variety.

What Canada’s role should be in conflicts is a decision for Canadians, so I won’t comment on that. I do find it interesting though that you characterize people who disagree with your view as redneck retards hanging on Bush’s nuts, but the people who agree with your view have minds of their own. Isn’t groupthink still groupthink regardless of the position?

^ No, Quebec comes up with excuses but at the end of the day its a pacificist, let someone else do the work attitude. Obviously this doesn’t take away from the contributions of the volunteers in Quebec who have fought for Canada, just the majority of the Quebec civilian population. I have zero respect for the Queen. I have no British heritage, in fact, pretty much all of my heritage has been brutally oppressed by Britain. She’s just an old bag as far as I’m concerned. I don’t see how your love of the Queen factors into wanting to liberate Holland, Belgium, France and Italy from fascists. And I don’t see how being a GWB nut hanger has anything to do with supporting our NATO allies in Afghanistan. Also note the French showed up there too (yet Quebec still opposed). And you both realise GWB has been out of office for 6 years now, right? And recent adventures have been at the whim of the most socialist president in history. Quebec lives in a dream world where its all free money, socialist unicorns and everyone can enjoy life in peace and happiness. Quebecers don’t care about the well being of anyone but themselves. In essence they are the most selfish people out there. And its not a French thing… We see the French socialists LEADING airstrikes in Libya, and participating strongly against ISIS. Because they get the whole liberty isn’t free thing. Quebec, in general, does not. Quebecers need to stop pretending they’re playing some European socialist card and realise they just don’t believe in contributing globally. I supported Chretien in not going to Iraq, and I still think that was the right call. That has absolutely nothing in common with fighting ISIS, an organization inspiring homegrown jihadis to attack us. And even in Quebec (which perhaps not surprisingly contains more than its fair share of those that hate western democracy). At least I hope you recognise Canada’s contribution to liberty globally, unlike FT who seems to believe we are only good at handing out bags of rice and toilet paper. Vimy, Juno, Sicily, Kapyong, Kandahar. None of these were minor accomplishments. Disagree all you want with Canada’s foreign policy, we shouldn’t make light of the contributions reflected at our National War Memorial were a proud solider was killed yesterday, defending its honour. Canada is a global leader for its size and that means occasionally using force to protect our interests or the interests of civilians elsewhere. If that means ISIS inspired cowards attack us here at home, I hope we double our efforts to eliminate their ideology at home and elsewhere.

You are right and my comment was indeed offensive.

Let’s say that I overreacted on Geo’s implied portrait of Québec’s stance on global conflicts. Obviously the redneck retards hanging on Bush’s nuts thing is a stereotype.

I was pointing out that it is all a question of perspective, and that what may seem like a quality by a group of people can be loathed by another group of people.

Honestly though, even if I can accept that people have a different point of view than mine, I will always a certain despise for those who supported the W.Bush Crusade ; I just can’t help it.

Geo, I like you as a poster and I am not looking to start a Québec vs Canada argument.

I wrote what I wrote because I disagreed with your comment on Québec’s pacifism.

I think you are very angry, which is fine. But I also think that you are mixing things up a bit, talking about socialists in Québec and all that. That’s off-topic.

Yesterday some ISIS inspired inbreds killed soldiers. That’s all that I think we should talk about at this point.

Cheers.

Didn’t anyone here see The King’s Speech? England didn’t have a queen in WW2.

Agreed. Quebec issue dropped.

That’s why no one can dislike Canadians for long. yes