that doesn’t make any sense. How do you know God isn’t bound by these things? Neither is Azor Ahai or Nissa Nissa,…the addition of a deist God is completely arbitrary. Furthermore what do you mean not bound by time? While you’re at it, how are you defining time?
Matt_Likes_Analysis: Palantir: Matt_Likes_Analysis: Palantir:How does it support a deist God? You have to artificially assume that God exists, especially a God who conveniently does not interfere in natural processes, in other words a trivial addition.
what created the singularity, in which time is irrelevant and in which the BBT is rooted, if not some being/force/whathaveyou that is unbound by time? as a scientist, how do you explain matter coming from nothing?
without believing in a Deist God, it is you who are artificially assuming everything as your science is incongruent.
But you can explain BBT with any arbitrary theory…Azor Ahai plunged his sword into Nissa Nissa creating the Big Bang. It does not support the necessity of a DG…or the Big Bang is a consequence of Deepak Chopras quantum cosmic consciousness…
i don’t see how explaining BBT with any arbitrary theory is possible at a time when time doesn’t exist. since all we know is bound by time you cannot explain it. that is why you need something not bound by time/matter/anything to explain it. this is also why some of the people with the greatest understanding of this, like Hawking, believe in a Deist or similar type God, out of necessity. they realize all of science is illogical without a God.
that doesn’t make any sense. How do you know God isn’t bound by these things? Neither is Azor Ahai or Nissa Nissa,…the addition of a deist God is completely arbitrary. Furthermore what do you mean not bound by time? While you’re at it, how are you defining time?
time doesn’t exist in the singularity. that’s why its called the singularity. therefore, whoever or whatever is the cause of the singularity must be supranatural and not bound by time.
i’d also like the state that a Deist God explaining our universe doesn’t solve the problem. clearly something needed to create our God and so on. it’s an infinite loop.
More accurately: infinite regress. It’s not a loop.
Matt_Likes_Analysis:i’d also like the state that a Deist God explaining our universe doesn’t solve the problem. clearly something needed to create our God and so on. it’s an infinite loop.
More accurately: infinite regress. It’s not a loop.
haha. sorrrrrrrry.
Palantir: Matt_Likes_Analysis: Palantir: Matt_Likes_Analysis: Palantir:How does it support a deist God? You have to artificially assume that God exists, especially a God who conveniently does not interfere in natural processes, in other words a trivial addition.
what created the singularity, in which time is irrelevant and in which the BBT is rooted, if not some being/force/whathaveyou that is unbound by time? as a scientist, how do you explain matter coming from nothing?
without believing in a Deist God, it is you who are artificially assuming everything as your science is incongruent.
But you can explain BBT with any arbitrary theory…Azor Ahai plunged his sword into Nissa Nissa creating the Big Bang. It does not support the necessity of a DG…or the Big Bang is a consequence of Deepak Chopras quantum cosmic consciousness…
i don’t see how explaining BBT with any arbitrary theory is possible at a time when time doesn’t exist. since all we know is bound by time you cannot explain it. that is why you need something not bound by time/matter/anything to explain it. this is also why some of the people with the greatest understanding of this, like Hawking, believe in a Deist or similar type God, out of necessity. they realize all of science is illogical without a God.
that doesn’t make any sense. How do you know God isn’t bound by these things? Neither is Azor Ahai or Nissa Nissa,…the addition of a deist God is completely arbitrary. Furthermore what do you mean not bound by time? While you’re at it, how are you defining time?
time doesn’t exist in the singularity. that’s why its called the singularity. therefore, whoever or whatever is the cause of the singularity must be supranatural and not bound by time.
How do you define time? How do you know said entity is not bound by time?
^Simple. Said entity created time (and space) and is thus not bound by time (or space). Said entity is non-spatiotemporal.
beginning of time = the beginning of the universe (i.e. BB). the point at which our scientific laws began.
And time is simply the measure of motion. It is a man-made invention.
There is no such thing as “time”. There is only the present.
There is no past–only your memory of it.
There is no future–it hasn’t happened yet.
There is only the present.
purealpha: S2000magician: purealpha:We know how things come about; random event upon random event . . . .
How, exactly, do we know that they’re random?
Because that’s what the observations say; the events are not clean/perfect outcomes, nor are they aimed at any specific “final” form, so there is nothing to hint at them being guided.
That’s not much of an argument: we cannot find a pattern, so, obviously, no pattern exists.
It’s not “an argument”, it’s the way science works kids. You’ve gone back to violating Occam’s razor, “there is no apparent pattern, but let’s assume a pattern exists despite no observations for such an assumption”.
The mistake religious people always make is getting insecure about their beliefs if the face of science, and attempting to make up some nonsense science to justify their beliefs. Just admit they are beliefs, as such they do not need to be rational.
Here is what I believe, and you guys can not prove it is not true…
One day Odin, Vili and Ve walked on the beach. There they found two logs; one appeared to be from the Ash tree and the other appeared to come from an Elm tree.
Odin gave the logs spirit and life, Ve gave them movement, mind and intelligence and Vili gave them shape, speech, feelings and the five senses. The first two humans had been created. The man was given the name Ask, and the woman was given the name Embla. The Aesir decided the humans should live in the place named Midgard.
Perhpas God is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the universe…
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him (or Her).
S2000magician: purealpha: S2000magician: purealpha:We know how things come about; random event upon random event . . . .
How, exactly, do we know that they’re random?
Because that’s what the observations say; the events are not clean/perfect outcomes, nor are they aimed at any specific “final” form, so there is nothing to hint at them being guided.
That’s not much of an argument: we cannot find a pattern, so, obviously, no pattern exists.
It’s not “an argument”, it’s the way science works kids.
Being patronizing doesn’t make your argument any stronger.
In fact, it weakens them: you sound desperate, and, as you cannot attack my argument on its face, you resort to arrogance.
You’ve gone back to violating Occam’s razor, “there is no apparent pattern, but let’s assume a pattern exists despite no observations for such an assumption”.
Occam’s razor says that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, not always.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. I, for one, didn’t assume that a pattern exists. You, on the other hand, concluded that no pattern exists , simply because we haven’t discerned a pattern yet. You’re the one making the assumptions, not I.
The mistake religious people always make is getting insecure about their beliefs if the face of science, and attempting to make up some nonsense science to justify their beliefs. Just admit they are beliefs, as such they do not need to be rational.
The mistake nonreligious types – well, not all of them in general, just you in particular – make is getting insecure about their beliefs in science, and attempting to make up nonsense science to justify their beliefs.
You seem to think that all explanations need to be the simplest ones. That’s nonsense science.
Here is what I believe, and you guys can not prove it is not true…
One day Odin, Vili and Ve walked on the beach. There they found two logs; one appeared to be from the Ash tree and the other appeared to come from an Elm tree.
Odin gave the logs spirit and life, Ve gave them movement, mind and intelligence and Vili gave them shape, speech, feelings and the five senses. The first two humans had been created.
The man was given the name Ask, and the woman was given the name Embla. The Aesir decided the humans should live in the place named Midgard.
The truth of the matter, of course, is that:
- You don’t really believe this; you’re simply mocking other people.
- We’re not trying to disprove it.
S2000, are you an evolution denier too?
S2000, are you an evolution denier too?
Hmm, I think probably yes.
I just can’t stop posting Odin pictures, this guy is so fierce. Behold, Sleipnir his eight-legged steed. To glory we ride!
S2000, are you an evolution denier too?
No.
I believe firmly in evolution.
Palantir:S2000, are you an evolution denier too?
Hmm, I think probably yes.
There you go again: formulating incorrect conclusions based on lack of evidence.
I should find that tiring.
Palantir:S2000, are you an evolution denier too?
Hmm, I think probably yes.
I just can’t stop posting Odin pictures, this guy is so fierce. Behold, Sleipnir his eight-legged steed. To glory we ride!
look at that hipster beard
look at that hipster beard
Trying not to, I might fapp all over it.