This guy who is senior to me but is not my boss has become somewhat of a micro-manager in recent weeks and its driving me nuts. He is a partner in the firm and I am not so he has some unofficial jurisdiction here. So he sends me out emails asking whether I have incorporated this and that in my analysis and I am furious at his stupid questions. I do not need this. I feel like I should just get up and go home. Just quit. I know I have a HUGE ego and that’s part of the problem but I am not some fresh out of school junior analyst who needs to keep updating his superiors. I can’t talk to my boss because my boss is a complete dimwit. What’s keeping me stay put it the income. But I think a time comes when money doesn’t bring you joy anymore.
Same position like you. My boss criticize my work because “it’s too textbook” and accusing me “only good with theory”. Even though the method I use is also used by oh-so-many public companies on the planet. Actually shopping for new job right now.
When money doesn’t bring you joy… More money will.
kant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When money doesn’t bring you joy… > > More money will. Ditto.
ozzie123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Same position like you. My boss criticize my work > because “it’s too textbook” and accusing me “only > good with theory”. Even though the method I use is > also used by oh-so-many public companies on the > planet. > > Actually shopping for new job right now. Guys that don’t read books hate textbook work. I feel sorry for you. Tell your boss to hire Lenny Dykstra
needhelp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know I have a HUGE ego and that’s part of the problem Personally, I found that if someone is competent and hardworking, I have absolutely no problem with their ego. I routinely interact with people with egos larger than my third leg, who are more abusive than I am by far (for example, the following words flow much more freely out of their mouths than I mine, like: moron, idiot, dumpass, retreads - and so on and so forth. Huge ego is great, “provided” it’s backed up with substance. I really don’t see your ego being a “problem,” since it seems you can back it up with depth of insight and solid skillz.
Anyways, needhelp, here’s what an INTJ (like myself) uses to get a first order approximation of what your work situation/troubles may be like. I emphasize “approximation” - since no model can accurately distill something as complex as a human being into 16 neat categories (especially with changes in time, environment, and willful intent towards change), but it provides me with a very coarse-grained, approximate, and admittedly fallible sketch. I myself think that the INTJ personality profile fits me extremely well. ----------------------------------------------------- Source: http://www.typelogic.com/isfj.html Profile: ISFJ Revision: 3.1 Date of Revision: 20 Aug 2007 ISFJs are characterized above all by their desire to serve others, their “need to be needed.” In extreme cases, this need is so strong that standard give-and-take relationships are deeply unsatisfying to them; however, most ISFJs find more than enough with which to occupy themselves within the framework of a normal life. (Since ISFJs, like all SJs, are very much bound by the prevailing social conventions, their form of “service” is likely to exclude any elements of moral or political controversy; they specialize in the local, the personal, and the practical.) ISFJs are often unappreciated, at work, home, and play. Ironically, because they prove over and over that they can be relied on for their loyalty and unstinting, high-quality work, those around them often take them for granted–even take advantage of them. Admittedly, the problem is sometimes aggravated by the ISFJs themselves; for instance, they are notoriously bad at delegating (“If you want it done right, do it yourself”). And although they’re hurt by being treated like doormats, they are often unwilling to toot their own horns about their accomplishments because they feel that although they deserve more credit than they’re getting, it’s somehow wrong to want any sort of reward for doing work (which is supposed to be a virtue in itself). (And as low-profile Is, their actions don’t call attention to themselves as with charismatic Es.) Because of all of this, ISFJs are often overworked, and as a result may suffer from psychosomatic illnesses. In the workplace, ISFJs are methodical and accurate workers, often with very good memories and unexpected analytic abilities; they are also good with people in small-group or one-on-one situations because of their patient and genuinely sympathetic approach to dealing with others. ISFJs make pleasant and reliable co-workers and exemplary employees, but tend to be harried and uncomfortable in supervisory roles. They are capable of forming strong loyalties, but these are personal rather than institutional loyalties; if someone they’ve bonded with in this way leaves the company, the ISFJ will leave with them, if given the option. Traditional careers for an ISFJ include: teaching, social work, most religious work, nursing, medicine (general practice only), clerical and and secretarial work of any kind, and some kinds of administrative careers. While their work ethic is high on the ISFJ priority list, their families are the centers of their lives. ISFJs are extremely warm and demonstrative within the family circle–and often possessive of their loved ones, as well. When these include Es who want to socialize with the rest of the world, or self-contained ITs, the ISFJ must learn to adjust to these behaviors and not interpret them as rejection. Being SJs, they place a strong emphasis on conventional behavior (although, unlike STJs, they are usually as concerned with being “nice” as with strict propriety); if any of their nearest and dearest depart from the straight-and-narrow, it causes the ISFJ major embarrassment: the closer the relationship and the more public the act, the more intense the embarrassment (a fact which many of their teenage children take gleeful advantage of). Over time, however, ISFJs usually mellow, and learn to regard the culprits as harmless eccentrics :-). Needless to say, ISFJs take infinite trouble over meals, gifts, celebrations, etc., for their loved ones–although strong Js may tend to focus more on what the recipient should want rather than what they do want. Like most Is, ISFJs have a few, close friends. They are extremely loyal to these, and are ready to provide emotional and practical support at a moment’s notice. (However, like most Fs they hate confrontation; if you get into a fight, don’t expect them to jump in after you. You can count on them, however, run and get the nearest authority figure.) Unlike with EPs, the older the friendship is, the more an ISFJ will value it. One ISFJ trait that is easily misunderstood by those who haven’t known them long is that they are often unable to either hide or articulate any distress they may be feeling. For instance, an ISFJ child may be reproved for “sulking,” the actual cause of which is a combination of physical illness plus misguided “good manners.” An adult ISFJ may drive a (later ashamed) friend or SO into a fit of temper over the ISFJ’s unexplained moodiness, only afterwards to explain about a death in the family they “didn’t want to burden anyone with.” Those close to ISFJs should learn to watch for the warning signs in these situations and take the initiative themselves to uncover the problem. Functional Analysis by Joe Butt Introverted Sensing As for ISTJs, the dominant Si is oriented toward the world of forms, essences, generics. Again, “for both of the IS_J types, the sense of propriety comes from the clear definition of these internal forms. … A ‘proper’ chair has four legs,” etc. (Jung saw IS as something of an oxymoron: sensing, which is a perceiving function, focused inward and thus away from that which is perceived (the “object”). In this light, he described this sensing as something removed from reality, full of archetypes/mythical figures/hobgoblins; sensing of one’s own set of forms.) Extraverted Feeling A kind of “regression toward the mean” provided by the Fe auxiliary function serves to socialize the expression of these forms. I suppose it’s the auxiliary nature of this Feeling, coupled with the balancing effect of {detachment from the internal idiosyncratic view of free-floating data perceptions} that makes ISFJs tentative, conservative, and reticent to boldly state the rights and wrongs in the relational world. (Loosely translated, ISFJs like to keep their perceptions to themselves, and aren’t sure enough that what they “see” as Introverted Sensors has any relevance to the outside world. Thus the perception, based on unworldly data, may not be true. The obedient Extraverted Feeling function must therefore refrain from strong statements expressing these opinions.) Introverted Thinking Introverted Thinking is turned inward and is largely invisible. It is only with great difficulty, if at all, that the ISFJ could willingly commit anyone to their doom. Perhaps this explains why ISFJs are loyal to the end; there is no sense of purely objective (i.e., impersonal) judgement of anyone but themselves (and that only by their own standards). Here is this type’s achilles heel that makes many of them so vulnerable to the scoundrels and ne’er-do-wells who often use and abuse them. Extraverted iNtuition ISFJs are easily undone by Extraverted iNtuition, their inferior function. Believing in the fantastic, and disbelieving the technologically extant, are errors that my guide the gullible (or unfoundedly sceptical) ISFJ off a precipice of mis-conclusion. (One of our co-workers’ mothers adamantly refused to believe that Dave Letterman’s mom was actually at the olympics in Norway talking with the athletes and handing out hams! She suspected technological trickery.) This childlike Ne is, however, the likely source (coupled with fun-loving Extraverted Feeling) of the practical joking, punning and (usually harmless) impishness of some ISFJs.
WOW!!!Did you really read through all this or just copy pasted it?
sublimity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > needhelp Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I know I have a HUGE ego and that’s part of the > problem > > Personally, I found that if someone is competent > and hardworking, I have absolutely no problem with > their ego. > > I routinely interact with people with egos larger > than my third leg, who are more abusive than I am > by far (for example, the following words flow much > more freely out of their mouths than I mine, like: > moron, idiot, dumpass, retreads - and so on and so > forth. > > Huge ego is great, “provided” it’s backed up with > substance. I really don’t see your ego being a > “problem,” since it seems you can back it up with > depth of insight and solid skillz. Thanks man. Good insight.
R24X7 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > WOW!!!Did you really read through all this or > just copy pasted it? You should know, that when you are dealing with an INTJ like myself, that I have read through all 16 personality profiles of the Myers-Brigggs from multiple psychologists and multiple websites.
you guys need to just quit and work for yourselves. the work-life-pay balance is unmatched. i wake up hung over around noon on many days.
sublimity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > R24X7 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > WOW!!!Did you really read through all this or > > just copy pasted it? > > You should know, that when you are dealing with an > INTJ like myself, that I have read through all 16 > personality profiles of the Myers-Brigggs from > multiple psychologists and multiple websites. If you are an INTJ then why did you post the ISFJ profile? ISFJs sound pretty wussy dude, you better clear that up. I am also an INTJ, and I would say, “congrats” on being part of the club that dominates the investment management industry.
sublimity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > needhelp Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I know I have a HUGE ego and that’s part of the > problem > > Personally, I found that if someone is competent > and hardworking, I have absolutely no problem with > their ego. > > I routinely interact with people with egos larger > than my third leg, who are more abusive than I am > by far (for example, the following words flow much > more freely out of their mouths than I mine, like: > moron, idiot, dumpass, retreads - and so on and so > forth. > > Huge ego is great, “provided” it’s backed up with > substance. I really don’t see your ego being a > “problem,” since it seems you can back it up with > depth of insight and solid skillz. you can be confident and humble at the same time. i used to have a huge ego, but it died a slow death over time. i find myself much happier now. more successful as well.
hey bromion, ISFJ for needhelp. I scored very extreme as an INTJ. Nice meeting another INTJ!
Sublimity, please can I have a website I can read from? I am an ENTJ. Many thanks for your encouraging words.
^ I heard ENTJ’s work well as cooks and watchmen, what do you do?
JOE2010 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ^ I heard ENTJ’s work well as cooks and watchmen, > what do you do? …lol, I’ve read some of your posts, I appreciate your good sense of humor indeed. I am a CA in my home country, also hold the local equivalent of the CFA. need I say more? lol
^Which country is that they have a “local equivalent of CFA”? Or is it the Cat Fanciers Association or the Country Fire Authority?
The issue with people with egos is that they all think that they back it up with substance but few actually do. Partner > non-partner. Needhelp, you will have to suck it up until such time as you are either made partner or you leave the firm. Deal.
I have actually never thought needhelp has a big ego(numi comes off as one of the guys with the biggest one on AF), in as much as we do not always agree. During the early years of my career I used to struggle with it (may be abit of extreme extroversion, overconfidence or inexperience/foolishness). But over time I have learnt it helps alot to be balanced and humble with colleagues and direct reports.