Actually, while the Oktoberfest is pretty wild, I would venture that the oral sex had/given per participant, as well as sex had per participant is much, much higher on springbreak. By a factor of like 10.
Elaborate? I’m not disagreeing, just curious.
I’d always wanted to go to Oktoberfest one year until I read this post.
Ok, I don’t have empirical evidence, but…
…I attribute that to the fact that the Oktoberfest does have a certain tradition to it. So to the extent that at least an big minority of people at Oktoberfest are locals, there is already a difference in motivations.
Surely, it’s a bunch of people getting drunk, but for many Bavarians it’s an occasion to dress up in traditional clothes, get drunk and dance on tables. Nothing more.
What differs :
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Average age : you’ll find Bavarians of all ages in the tents, vs. 99% college kids in Spring Break
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Overall attitude towards drinking : Bavarians drink beer like they drink water. That’s not a stereotype. They even drink beer for breakfast. They drink beer since they are pretty young. So they are less likely to go nuts than american college kids that just go balls to the wall
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The motivation of going there : Bavarian chicks tend to go to Oktoberfest with their BF, vs. American chicks who go to sping break to fool around with guys
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What is being worn : people in Oktoberfest being dressed vs people on Spring break being almost naked
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Drugs : much less in Oktoberfest vs on spring break.
I don’t know in the end it seems to me that German chicks don’t do the type of things that American chicks do on Springbreak.
Of course when all the Brits, Dutch, Scandinavians & Co hit the tents, inappropriateness ensues, but there is still a big % of people who will party hard without passing out under tables.
Wow, poor girl most likely was drugged on spring break and gets raped. So she’s an idiot? You all are sick. And Spinnakers hires all sorts of real cops to keep the peace. Surprised it happened behind that beach bar, just because the police presence, you would think, would move the raping elsewhere.
If you can find me any evidence anywhere as this case evolves of a drugging I’ll agree with you. Otherwise you’re just reaching for excuses.
^Agreed. I’m assuming she wasn’t drugged, but rather just passed out because of her own foolish decisions.
If she was drugged, that changes the whole dynamic.
I am surprised you are all focusing on the chick who made a silly decision, instead of the bystanders who did nothing to stop the perpetrators.
^the fact bystanders did nothing sickens me, honestly. While not as extreme as the subject of this thread, it’s very reminiscent of this situation that happened a few weeks ago: http://fox2now.com/2015/03/27/seated-man-beaten-in-metrolink-facebook-video/. (SFW)
Well, the cops released a statement saying that it appears the victim was most likely drugged. They also stated the victim was making feeble attempts to resist with her arms and legs. She had not passed out.
The crowd appears somewhat sober which makes sense given the time of day. It was early. The real drunkenness usually appears later in the day. Been there, literally, done that. And, it appears that a small group of black men and black women were shielding the “attackers” from view. Most of the crowd is oblivious to what is happening. The women in the small group look indifferent almost as if the girl was part of their group and maybe had some history with the men. One dude is heard saying, “smash it” in a jovial tone.
There may be politics involved. The hotels and business love the spring breakers. The residents not so much. Hundreds of people were not aware this rape was happening. Obvious from the clip that was released. Why would the cops let the public believe everyone was watching and make the whole crowd look like animals? Just not the case. Most of these spring breakers are “good kids” looking to have a “good time.” During my trips to Panama City Beach, I can assure you, if the masses were aware a rape was going on, these thugs would have been pummeled. Believe it, or not, it is not cool to be a rapist on American college campuses or during their annual March rite of passage.
The media is far more interested in sensationalizing a story, even if it means getting played by local politics, than finding the detailed truth. That is very sad for sure.
Ok, first off I assumed this was Panama City, Panama with the perpetrators being locals. Apparently, this is Panama City, Florida. This changes things for me a bit because you expect a little more civility and protection in the US. She still was not smart in her actions, but I expect more from the US and shift more blame to the crowd and perpetrators. I didn’t watch the video, but if it’s like you said, particularly if she was drugged then the perpetrators should get hammered on the criminal side. This is why we can’t have nice things.
People have gotten so used to big brother always watching and not advocating personal responsibility to the point that if you ease off the controls they act like psychotic children.
Greenie and BS are running neck and neck on points. Who will hit 10000 first? I’m going with BS. He seems to be more the young and full of cum type that will take on any challenge and he has a decent lead. I don’t think greenie really would give a shit.
Bystander effect, diffusion of responsibility, social proof, etc. etc.
I think it’s more of a “snitches get stitches” and “FTP” type of mentality considering the facts of both cases.
To be honest, I don’t really know what I would have done if I was there. (Note–I haven’t read the story or seen the video. I’m basing this solely on the comments in this thread.)
If you are walking down a crowded beach and see dudes gang-banging a girl, you know there are other people who see it too. And they’re not doing anything about it. So it must not be that big of a deal. Maybe she wants it. Maybe somebody’s filming a porn shoot. I don’t know.
Also, if you try to pull them off the girl, you’re really asking to get your ass kicked. Like the philosopher said, “Better her than me.” (Unless, of course, the reward was more wealth than I could imagine, and I can imagine quite a bit.)
TNB. Would you expect anything different?
Why no pictures? here are the two outstanding gentlemen in the rape video
I am not surprised at all, people are so jaded now with reality shows and porn, it’s hard to tell with a civilian whether that person is a victim or not. I would say most people would be confused and perhaps embarrassed seeing it but it’s hard to say without seeing the video, and how violent those men were to that woman.
In any case, sexual harrassments in public/ on public transportations take place everyday in big civilized cities. I can tell you for a fact that most witnesses don’t tend to say anything to avoid getting in trouble.
As a female I tend to agree with the first statement that if you CHOOSE to get drunk and passed out in public you have to be responsible for putting yourself in dangerous situations, whether it is a car accident or robbery or rape.
We all take REASONABLE responsiblities to our lives and well being, this goes the same to men, if a guy is drunk and get hit by a car crossing the street, he is just as responsible, if not more, than the driver.
Obviously if the female was drugged not knowingly that’s another story.
Yes, the men are definitely guilty and should be punished for doing that, but as women we also need to have common sense and not put ourselves in vulnerable situations.