nyt/wsj ------- General Motors is in preliminary talks about a possible merger with Chrysler, a deal that could drastically remake the auto industry. ================= damn son, even with my beers and baseball, the blackberry lights up every 3 secs. cant relax in this market…RECALL MY 2 POSTS FROM FRIENDS AT GMAC!!! THEY LED ME ON WHEN THEY SAID “____, I DONT KNOW HOW LONG I WILL BE HERE” now i see what they meant

GM Had Talks With Chrysler By JEFFREY MCCRACKEN and JOHN D. STOLLArticle Comments more in Deals »Email Printer Friendly Share: Yahoo Buzz MySpace Digg Text Size General Motors Corp. has recently been in discussions about acquiring Chrysler LLC, according to people familiar with the matter, in a dramatic sign of the pressures mounting on the U.S. auto industry to restructure amid a deep slump in sales. The upheaval in financial markets has rendered inactive the talks between Chrysler owner Cerberus Capital Management LLC and GM, which wants to shed its stake in GMAC, these people said. However, if markets stabilize, the talks could be renewed because both parties want to move those assets quickly, these people added. Central to the plan is private-equity firm Cerberus, which owns 80.1% of Chrysler and 51% of GMAC, an 89-year-old auto lender that has been seriously weakened by its moves into mortgage banking. Cerberus proposed a swap in which GM would acquire Chrysler’s automotive operations, and in turn give Cerberus its remaining 49% stake in GMAC, these people said. Uniting two of the country’s Big Three auto makers would prove a watershed for an industry knocked down by high production costs and a looming recession. But at a time when both GM and Chrysler are actively dismissing talk among analysts questioning their futures, such a radical step may be part of an endgame that could further shrink Detroit. GM sees as much as $10 billion in cost-cutting if a deal were to come together, said a person familiar with its thinking. “Without referencing this specific rumor, as we’ve often said, GM officials routinely discuss issues of mutual interest with other auto makers,” GM spokesman Tony Cervone said. “As a policy, we do not confirm or comment publicly on those private discussions, which in many cases do not lead anywhere.” A spokesman for Cerberus declined to comment. GMAC spokeswoman Gina Proia declined to comment. Chrysler spokeswoman Shawn Morgan declined to comment. Financial conditions have gotten the better of Cerberus, which originally viewed its investments in GMAC and Chrysler as relatively low-cost paths to owning some of the country’s biggest brand names. In 2006, it agreed to buy a majority stake in GMAC for $14 billion, hoping to ride momentum at GMAC’s then-profitable mortgage arm, Rescap, and expand the car-lending business’s reach in a global auto industry that was projected to grow rapidly. Cerberus was also hoping that by de-linking GMAC from GM, the lending company’s credit rating would improve, therefore lowering its cost of capital. Last year, Cerberus acquired its majority stake in Chrysler from Daimler AG, ending the 10-year-old merger of the maker of minivans and Jeeps with the German owner of Mercedes. Daimler gave Cerberus $650 million, while Cerberus agreed to contribute $7.4 billion into Chrysler, including $5 billion into its auto operations. Much of that cash hasn’t been spent. At the time, Cerberus said a privately held auto maker would be allowed the time to straighten out operations outside the public glare, and that it was picking up Chrysler’s profitable finance arm for next to nothing. If the GM talks fall through, Cerberus will continuing exploring options for Chrysler. GM first considered, but backed off, a potential acquisition of Chrysler when it was shopped around by Daimler. Little has turned out as planned. Chrysler has been hard-hit by the car industry’s downturn and is losing money. Chrysler said its September sales fell to 107,349 vehicles, down 33% from the same month last year, and year-to-date sales dipped 25% to 1.83 million cars and trucks. GM sales were down 16% in September. Overall, US auto sales fell by 26% in September to their lowest levels since 1993. For the whole year, U.S. sales are down about 13%. In recent quarters, the value of GMAC has fallen dramatically due to exposure to subprime home loans, car loans and leases. Its bonds trade at 36 to 53 cents on the dollar. Today the GMAC stake is valued roughly at $6 billion to $7 billion, say people familiar with the discussions. For decades, GMAC has been a key cog in the GM universe. Its cheap lending was extended to GM dealers, who used it to keep their lots full of new cars. GMAC also extended financing to car buyers, who relied on it for discounted loans and leases. GM is mulling various options for GMAC amid increasing difficulty in raising money for loans and an unwillingness at GMAC to continue offering dealers and buyers cheap financing. Cerberus said last month that it is in talks with Daimler to buy that company’s remaining 19.9% stake in Chrysler. Cerberus is expected to keep Chrysler’s financing arm if a deal does materialize, this person added. Despite the complications that would come from owning Chrysler, there are some attractions for GM. Namely, it could slash costs by cutting plants, blue-collar jobs and corporate overhead, according to people familiar with the matter. Investors might worry that GM – whose stock closed Friday at $4.89 a share in New York Stock Exchange trading, down from a 52-week high of $43.20 – would be acquiring more troubled operations at the same time it is trying to fix its own problems. It would pick up the Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge brands and their dealers while it is trying to shed nameplates and dealers of its own. It would also be even more reliant on North America, where sales have tumbled by double digits this year. Over the past 14 months, Chrysler has backed away from many capital-intensive projects – including building new component plants and developing several new cars and trucks. As a result, Chrysler has been able to hoard cash despite falling sales and production in its core U.S. market. That, combined with billions in cost cuts, could aid GM’s fund-raising drive, which currently is slated to raise $15 billion over the next 15 months through asset sales, secured financing and cost cuts. GM’s fortunes have tumbled rapidly this year, leading investors to value the company at the lowest level since the early 1950s and reigniting talk among some analysts that the auto maker eventually may have to file for bankruptcy protection. GM put out a statement Friday morning saying, “Clearly, we face unprecedented challenges related to uncertainty in the financial markets globally and weakening economic fundamentals in many key markets. But bankruptcy protection is not an option GM is considering.” A GM-Chrysler deal would be a highly complicated maneuver, which would involve the rationalizing of more than 100 automotive plants and about 190,000 employees in North America. It would also likely force a streamlining of 11 automotive brands – from Chrysler to Cadillac – and more than 10,000 auto dealers in the United States, Mexico and Canada. All of Detroit’s auto makers have been shunned by investors, with bond prices and bank debt trading at deeply discounted levels that reflect a concern that a default is as likely as not. Most GM and Ford Motor Co. bonds trade at 30 to 50 cents on the dollar. Chrysler bank debt trades at around 30 cents on the dollar. The three companies have become so weakened in recent years that longtime automotive experts say their ability to avoid bankruptcy is largely dependent on factors outside their control, such as gas prices staying around $3 a gallon, a quick recovery in the U.S. and European economies and the timing of a $25 billion U.S. government loan to the industry. GM is expected to announce more production capacity cuts in coming weeks, likely focusing on closing plants that stamp auto parts or build engines and transmissions. The GM-Cerberus talks were put on the back burner in the last couple days amid GM’s share-price drop and the overall market instability, said two people familiar with the matter. One individual involved in the talks described them as “recent, frequent and serious.” This person added those talks could resume soon, since GM is focused on shedding its 49% stake in GMAC given the negative impact the once-profitable finance arm is having on GM’s balance sheet. Meanwhile, Cerberus appears undaunted by problems with its GMAC investment, particularly its ResCap real-estate-finance unit. In a letter to its investors late last month, Cerberus boss Stephen Feinberg extolled the investment opportunity in mortgages. “This is an historic opportunity in the U.S. residential and commercial real estate markets,” wrote Mr. Feinberg in the letter. “Both whole loans and mortgage securities are trading at, in our view, ridiculously low historically distressed levels, and pressures on financial institutions globally to relieve their balance sheets of these assets have created a unique and attractive distressed investing opportunity.” The 11-page letter didn’t mention by name either GMAC or Chrysler but alluded to them in a sentence. “While we have received a lot of press about certain companies and their problems, not only will these companies not have a significant effect on our performance, but they all, in our view, are conservatively valued and some may have real upside from the mark.” Chrysler, founded in 1925 by Walter Chrysler, was for several decades the third-largest auto maker in the United States, behind GM and Ford. It was bailed out by the U.S. government in 1979 with a $1.5 billion loan guarantee and later hit tremendous highs under leaders such as Lee Iacocca, Bob Lutz and Bob Eaton. It was under Mr. Eaton that Chrysler was sold in 1997 to Daimler, in the so-called “merger of equals,” for $38.3 billion. Chrysler

Cerebus and GM two companies run by the worst mgmt in history…

LOL! Good one!

This can ONLY mean one thing…THOUSANDS of layoffs. Willy

Cerberus - the three headed dog that guards the gates of hell, coincidence? I think not.

PtrainerNY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cerebus and GM two companies run by the worst mgmt > in history… Heh, Chysler itself is run by one of the worst CEOs of all time.

short them now?

GM is the must corrupted company I have ever seen

By the way, what will happen to GMAC employees if the company will be fully acquired by Cerberus?? I think it is not good for them

strangedays Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GM is the must corrupted company I have ever seen true

I think consolidation in the US auto industry makes sense, but does Cerberus have any money or credit lines that would make this work? Are there any banks who would like to lend them money to get this done? I think the govt would need to help and so far the govt help to GM has been to suggest that they will give them money to develop fuel efficient cars (how stupid does the govt think we are? Here’s 25B for fuel efficient cars. I’m sure that if you use it you can develop some good stuff for the bottom line in 5-7 years. Too bad the market thinks your probability of living that long is 2%).

spierce Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > PtrainerNY Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Cerebus and GM two companies run by the worst > mgmt > > in history… > > > Heh, Chysler itself is run by one of the worst > CEOs of all time. Agreed. Nardelli is awful. I can’t believe anyone let him near their management team, let alone put him in the top spot, after his performance at HD.

GMAC not good. talked to them this morning, they are hoping this doesnt go thru. 10B in cost savings = layoffs

daj224 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GMAC not good. talked to them this morning, they > are hoping this doesnt go thru. 10B in cost > savings = layoffs Dude give to us more update when you have it! thanks

This doesn’t change the fact that no one buys GM or Chrysler cars anymore…