Honestly, i didnt see it (provided sparta was poor), but corfu and athens seemed fine.
oh well ouaou!! i better fall back in line then! I suppose they set them up in Monaco?
Gotcha penny, you’re defining “helping immigrants” as finding ways to fund the legalization of the never-ending influx of pour souls who make it to Greece without dying, so that they can enter the country’s vibrant workforce with 27% unemployment rate and become disillusioned cranky unemployed as$holes like yourself. I’ll take a note.
i love the way you massage those stereotypes Mobius Striptease. No you didn’t get me, but you still can, just read my first post and then don’t answer because you do not know of any charities that help illigal immigrants.
Although Monaco uses the Euro as its currency, it is not a member of the EU, so no they do not set them up in Monaco (or Switzerland for that matter). Under prior EU rules, persons seeking asylum were required to return to the EU country they originally entered and have their petition reviewed there. Living conditions for illegal immigrants in Greece became so horrible and the Greek system so backed up though, that the court decided that it was inhumane send them back to Greece if they had already made their way to another EU nation.
Not sure what you’re so offended by. I remarked that living conditions for illegal immigrants in Greece were extremely bad. You flippantly asked for the basis for my remark, presumably because it is inconceivable to you that somone from the US could have a source of information other than a tabloid, and I provided you the basis for my remark. I consider the rulings of the European Court of Human Rights to be generally well founded, at least more so than those of US tabloids. Maybe that’s just me though.
Plus, the original post, which describes how illegal immigrants in Greece were shot for not providing free labor, does not exactly support the argument that immigration improved their lives.
Bro just cause you started the thread with a worthy cause in mind, doesn’t entitle you to rule over it like a Gestapo Overlord that decides what’s a relevant and meaningful contribution, and what’s not. Particularly so in the watercooler forum.
Your original post did ask about “other ways to help illigal immigrants (legally)” and, believe it or not, they may find it helpful to know what awaits them at the end of their journey to make an informed decision, rather than being taken advantage of by smugglers. I am sure a lot of them would decide not to leave, if they knew better what their prospects are once they get to Greece. And there is already a precedent for a campaign aimed to discourage immigration to the UK, although it is targeted towards internal EU migration.
But clearly that’s not the solution you’re looking for, which is fine - just chill brah.
tough crowd here - there goes the one female to frequent the water cooler section.
and perhaps it has occured to you (Ohio, Higgmond and Mobius Striptease) that instead of asking people to never try and make something better out of a crappy number (meaning their life circumstances), because they get a crappy “welcome” from a bunch or racist overbloated egos that think they own the welfare system and social order just becaue they where born in it, to try instead and fight against mindless violence, degrading working environments, and stigmatisation? Or perhaps that suits…?
The problem with welcoming economic migrants (not refugees) into the welfare system in Europe is that it’s not set up to support a population made up mostly of poorly educated families with higher-than-average numbers of children. The UK (particularly) is running out of taxpayers to support the welfare state, which is expensive because the UK pays a non-means-tested pension to everyone over the age of 65(ish) if they have worked for 30 years, along with various perks such as free bus passes, a winter fuel allowance, free television licence and so on. Germany already ships its elderly to Poland if they need nursing home care because it’s cheaper there. Overall living standards in Europe are declining and will continue to decline, partly because of the welfare states and partly because the lack of competitiveness amongst some of the economies.
So aside from their need to accommodate genuine refugees, the UK needs to attract migrants who are skilled enough to pay higher level of tax, as they already have a steady supply of low-skilled labour from the former European communist states that have full work entitlements under EU freedom of movement, and crucially, generally do not settle in the UK for the long-term. This might change down the track if all economies in Europe grow old simultaneously with a resulting decline in working age population, and guest workers might need to be welcomed from non-EU states, but it is not the case at the moment.
My other half lived in the London Docklands - a borough where 50% of the population identify as ethnic minority, and you see massive families crammed into tiny two bedroom flats, and quite obvious, very real poverty, and this is amongst legalised immigrants who have been permitted to live in social housing.
I feel extremely sorry for the Bangladeshi illegal immigrants in the Greek story but the answer is not the legalise every person who wishes to work in Europe rather than in their home country, unless we are prepared to dismantle the welfare state and accept a steady decline in living standards for European states.
TL;DR - EU freedom of movement provides a sufficient supply of low-skilled labour already; to welcome every economic migrant EU countries need to dismantle their welfare states & accept lower living standards.
maybe, maybe not. i didn’t start this tread to get to the ultimate truth, just to find out some charities to help illigal immigrants through the many challenges they surely face
clarification: help them not send them packing
Gotcha, you’re only interested in a band-aid, not a cure. Fair enough.
Yes exactly. That and open borders.
Also should note that hostility towards illegal immigrants will probably increase with their numbers, as they become perceived as more of a social burden. Very likely that one of the best things to do for the current illegal immigrants is to limit the inflow of further immigrants who will compete for the same resources.