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You think Kirk would prefer Sharon to Caprica 6?
I am pretty sure the nice Canadians’ ancestors did all those things and more. Pashtuns didn’t invent genocide, Greeks did (in recorded history anyway.) The British had no qualms about hanging all males between the ages of 5 and 80 in a mutiny zone, firing and killing unarmed civilians in the Empire, and so on. The Canadian Mounties were formed to protect First Nations from the bloodthirsty genocidal Canadian maniacs, (I believe that describes every white guy in Alberta today.)
Also, when has genocide ever won a war? Alexander lost / gave up in India despite genocidal tactics. US had to come back with our tail between our legs from Vietnam, where General “Napalm” McNamara wiped out villages. Japanese murdered Chinese by the million (the Rape of Nanking, 1933 I believe) and lost WWII. Germans, the same with 6 million Jews and gypsies and homosexuals (despite Himmler being one.)
Genocide is douchebaggery on a grand scale and will help you lose a war by turning all the right-thinking people against you.
Genocide worked out pretty well for Stalin.
Actually genocide wins wars all the time. In the aforementioned WWII, both US and Russia basically came out with genocidal tactics against Japan and Germany. It is not foolproof, but your notion that it “turns good people against you” is demonstrably false.
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Uh, what? Going to war and genocide are very different things. America wasn’t trying to eradicate the German or Japanese population. If you’re trying to say the bombing of Dresden, the Tokyo fire bombings, or the a-bombs were akin to genocide you’re pretty far off the mark.
I read an unbelievable thing about Tolstoy the other day - did you know the original title for “War and Peace” was “War - What is it Good For”?
Aircraft carriers enable our Fighter Jets to be deployed anywhere, repeatedly. Nuff said.
Yep.
And as the world policeman (whether the US actively embraces that role or simply has it thrust upon us because world chaos threatens our own interests), we need to be able to do that. Other countries merely need to protect themselves from their neighbors (and, arguably, us), and so the need for power projection is relatively low.
For example, North Korea may want to lob a missle and a nuke our way, but there’s no way that they’re going to invade anywhere except South Korea, so they don’t need a carrier force.
Really it is Russia and China, and maybe India that may want to develop or restore power projection capabilities in the future. Britain and France may require a smaller force if they are going to be involved in things like the Falklands/Malvinas or sending forces to former colonies. Iran sure would like to, but may not have the resources to do much other than develop nukes and missiles.
Jackass, your examples aren’t even in the same war or conflict. Hell, not even the same country.
What does 100k dead in Bangladesh, or East Pakistan as you call it, have to do with India and Pakistan’s current squabble? Nothing. It’s not even one of the participants in the CURRENT pakistan/India thing. I’m talking about Pakistan, pakistan. Its not the India/Pakistan/Bangladesh issue.
I’m talking about the conflict that exists today CURRENTLY and is a result of the 1965 and 1971 war between India and Pakistan. 47 was different. Hari Singh begged India for help then. But that was 60 years ago. Why is India still there? Ah yes, the stalemate from the 1965 and 1971 conflict.
I’ve been to Kashmir more than 10 times. Have you been once? What the fck do you know about Kashmir?
Kashmiris by and large want independence even though they might recognize that they are two week to protect themselves against the tribal shitheads to the west in Pakistan and their screwball government. Don’t believe me, spend a few rupees and go there yourself. Go visit one of their local mosques any day of the week and guess what you’ll hear them talking about, when they aren’t praising Allah? They live in a police state surrounded by troops. They dont like it. Go there, you’ll see why. Military checkpoint after military checkpoint of Indian troops. I can only imagine what the Pakistani side looks like, but it can’t be any better.
Now, I’m not saying that India should just leave. I’m not saying that Kashmir didnt need India in 47 for its own surival. Nor am I suggesting that kashmiris want to be pakistani. Nor am I suggesting that they didnt need India to prevent them from becoming pakistani. But dont think for a moment that they love having Indian soldiers guarding their villages and creating checkpoints with barb wire everywhere. Don’t think that they love a decades old stalemate between two foreign powers that divides their country. Nobody is gonna like that, however necessary it may be.
Which one? The one in India or the one in West Pakistan (Pakistan)?
Do they have any natural resources? If so we’ll take them over in.
really didn’t want to reply to this post but seriously what the fuck are you on about?
you yourself said the stalemate is because of the 65 and 71 war and now you’re asking me what bangaladesh has to do with it? The '71 war was the liberation of bangaladesh which was preceeded by a genocide by west pakistani’s on east pakistani’s.
I only mentioned this because you said that the issue’s main casualties are cattle and it’s not a real war and never was which was stupid.
what the f*ck do i know about kashmir?
My fathers entire side of the family is from jammu. They’re still there and won’t leave. I can see why you think that but let it go. The seperatist’s are the loudest but they are a minority. Ask educated ‘kashmiri’s’ who study in colleges set up by the government what they think…better yet ask the kashmiri’s dispersed throughout india whether they still want to be part of the country that’s given them freedom and opportunity.
I know nothing about this conflict (I know a lot about some things and absolutely nothing about others), but isildurr sounds like he’s got a pretty good idea what he’s talking about on this one.
You know more than you think. The conflict is: Kashmiris that follow a certain religion want independence from India. Pakistan and China are only happy to help said Kashmiris. India very obviously responds with a military crackdown, (the one ChickenTikka is complaining about), and the US chimes in with complaints about human rights.
That is all there is to it.
Ok, so has anyone here besides me actually been to Kashmir? Every Indian has a “cousin brother” in every part of the world. But have you actually spent time there? Talked to real Kashmiris about it?
High class Kashmiris with strong bases in normal India certainly would be less pro independence. Especially Hindus from JAMMU would gravitate to India.
While Jammu is part of the same state as Kashmir (Jammu and Kashmir), i don’t think you’ll find too many kashmiris referring to people in Jammu as Kashmiri. For one 60 percent of people in Jammu are Hindus and nearly all people in Kashmir are Muslim. So yes, it doesn’t surprise me if Ilssdurrs Hindu family in Jammu is pro India. But they arent exactly Kashmiri either. In the real KASHMIR (NOT JAMMU) 95 percent of people are Muslim. Less likely to gravitate towards India. Less likely to appreciate living in a war zone (which Jammu by and large does not). Much more likely to wish to be separate.
But, seriously, go there. See the situation for yourself. It’s a miserable state to exist in for 30-40 years in a total stalemate. You can’t think for a second that they don’t wish it would change. Maybe it can’t. Maybe its for the best this way? But they certainly wish it wasnt.
At the risk of repeating myself. Who cares? You complain about India’s heavy handed rule there, but conveniently ignore the fact that it exists due to Islamic separatism, something that India should never tolerate or bend to. Give up this notion of Kashmir Jihad, and then India will lift military presence.
This is what amuses me about the West, when this brand of extremism harms the US or Israel it’s grounds for all out war and extermination, but when it harms nations like India, it is subjected to lectures about democracy and human rights. Jai Ho!
I’ll take this opportunity to point out that India has been exteremely lenient on Kashmir, it has never used the same harsh techniques or even air power, if you really want to see the extents a nation is willing to go to, check out Chechnya, Kurdistan, Jaffna, Aceh, or even Afghanistan and Iraq. But I’m confident you already know that. Then why these posts?
No argument there, Palintir. I agree with you.
Ever see game of thrones? They have this giant wall that protects them against the evil presence of the “White walkers” who live to the north. They have this group of militants who do it called the “black watch.”
This is a perfect metaphor for the LOC. If I were India I’d be happy to keep a militarized line separating you from Pakistan and all its tribal lunacy. If I were a Hindu living in Jammu, I’d be happy to have a few million Indian (Hindu) troops protecting a border a few hundred miles to the north, as well as me from the Kashmiris (Muslims) which is what the Indian army spends most of the time doing, and preventing a similar tribal genocide from happening in my Hindu village.
So yes, I agree with India’s position there, at least from a selfish rational perspective. It keeps the peace between the two bigger nations, keeps the fighting in a proxy nation (Kashmir), and gives the military a place to go about practicing for a real war. But, I dont think for a second that the Kashmiris should and do love it. Of course they dont. But of course, so what? Yep, might is right.
What that makes this war however, is what I called it and more importantly the reason for these posts. The India/Pakistan thing is NOT A REAL WAR. A joke. A dress rehearsal. A conflict where two big nations with serious firepower pretend to be at war and the military class on both sides gets to have something to blow up now and then and it happens conviently outside of the both sides country. And yes, lenient by western standards as the usual victim is cattle and not people as would be in the case elsewhere. Ilsdurrr wanted to argue that this was a real war and this is what I have been arguing against - an Indian, presumably Hindu, with family members in Jammu, also presumably Hindu, telling us that it is a real war and that Kashmiris (muslims) are happy being under a permament military yoke of India and Pakistan (pretty unlikely). His version of the story just doesnt jibe with the dozens of Kashmiris I’ve spoken to in my time. But it sure makes sense to a Hindu from Jammu or even a secular ethnic muslim from southern India with family ties to Jammu.
P.S. and if it were real war, India would win in a matter of months, if not weeks.
Indian military > Pakistani military > CFA
Indian military > Pakistani military > top 2 MBA > CFA > MBA + rusty hacksaw