1 out of every 8 new born in the US has an illegal immigrant parent. What’s the cost to our country? Our economy? your local public school system? your fragile state and local budget? Is it time to stop granting automatic citizenship to new born by illegal immigrants? Thoughts? --------------------------- From Bloomberg, 8/12/2010 As many as 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in the U.S. in 2008 had at least one parent who was an illegal immigrant, according to a Pew Hispanic Center study of Census Bureau data. Unauthorized immigrants, who make up a little more than 4 percent of the population, are for the most part young and have high birth rates, according to the Pew study. Their children make up 8 percent of the newborn population and 7 percent of those under 18. Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, is leading an effort to change the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees U.S. citizenship to anyone born in the country. “We just can’t have people swimming across the river having children here,” he told Fox News. The study from the Washington-based Pew center said 79 percent of the 5.1 million children under age 18 of illegal immigrants were born in the U.S. and therefore are citizens. Because some of these children have one parent who is a legal resident, the Pew study doesn’t bolster the argument to change the 14th amendment, said the Immigration Policy Center, a Washington-based organization that opposes Graham’s initiative. A June poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that 56 percent of Americans oppose changing the 14th amendment and 41 percent want to change it. Republicans have been pressuring President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress to strengthen border security and crack down on illegal immigration before passing a bill that would allow more foreign workers to enter the country on a temporary basis. The Senate today planned to pass a $600 million measure to add Border Patrol agents and equipment to strengthen protection of the U.S.-Mexico border. The House passed the measure by voice vote on Aug. 10. Obama in May announced plans to deploy 1,200 National Guard troops to the border. Last month, the administration won the first round in a legal battle with Arizona when a federal judge blocked a state law aimed at thwarting illegal immigration. The U.S. Justice Department argues that the Arizona measure intrudes into the traditionally federal sphere of immigration policy.
Correction - “1 in every 12”… Still an stunningly high #… Isn’t it?
dude, why didn’t you start this post in the Back Office? This is not related to the CFA.
Hey Newsuper, seriously, what do you think of the economic impact of illegal immigrants to our or your local and state budget?
Lou Dobbs thinks repealing/modifying the 14th amendment is a bad idea. Lou Dobbs! You’re way off the deep end here. Regardless, it’s not politically feasible, it’s just something to whip up the base. Roger Ailes = Pavlov, AlphaSeeker = Dog. Ring Ring Ring!
^^ Putting your inmature personal attack aside… Don’t you think your local school system should not be burdened by illegal immigrants’ kids? Think about this. You are a hardworking, law abiding citizen. Your next door neighbor houses 6-7 illegal immigrants, their cars took all the street parking, their many kids all attend your kids’ public school, straining the state and local budget… At the end of the day, they are her illegally to begin with… You are ok with all that?
Illegal aliens certainly contribute more to soceity than they receive (unlike most people in the tea party).
Re your extreme and unrealistic scenario, no, I’m not OK with that. However, changing the 14th amendment won’t really do anything to change that, and it’s not something we SHOULD do, regardless.
^ Link?
LBriscoe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Illegal aliens certainly contribute more to > soceity than they receive (unlike most people in > the tea party). Source??
I’d rather support 10 illegal immigrants over this tea party supporter: http://jacy.blogs.exetel.com.au/uploads/media/get-a-brain-morans.jpg
Has any country ever been able to successfully regulate the mobility of labor? From a market efficiency standpoint, don’t attempts to regulate the flow of labor cause the same problems caused by regulating the flow of capital?
I’d rather support 10 teabaggers over this dude. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x8G7khv0/ShM4ls3npPI/AAAAAAAADo8/qA_f0ciVdRc/s400/jineid.jpg
NakedPuts Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Re your extreme and unrealistic scenario, no, I’m > not OK with that. However, changing the 14th > amendment won’t really do anything to change that, > and it’s not something we SHOULD do, regardless. How unrealistic is my scenario? If you go a typical southwestern town such as Pheonix, AZ or Stockton, CA, you run into that scenario in pretty every neighborhood.
I think they should open up the borders. why a country would want to disallow a pool of labour is beyond me. open up the flood gates and let people work. there may be some short term dislocations, but america needs more people especially at the bottom rung of the labour pool.
FrankArabia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think they should open up the borders. > > why a country would want to disallow a pool of > labour is beyond me. open up the flood gates and > let people work. > Ok , this is a terrible idea. If you have studied some history you would know why. hint: Germany
Dude, my kid was just replaced with an illegal baby. This has to stop.
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NakedPuts Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Re your extreme and unrealistic scenario, no, > I’m > > not OK with that. However, changing the 14th > > amendment won’t really do anything to change > that, > > and it’s not something we SHOULD do, > regardless. > > How unrealistic is my scenario? If you go a > typical southwestern town such as Pheonix, AZ or > Stockton, CA, you run into that scenario in pretty > every neighborhood. I’m no geography expert but AlphaSeeker my friend, Stockton is not in the southwest. Anyhow… OK- I grew up in an immigrant community and am one myself. I also studied the subtest- but I’m still no expert, yet I am consistently amazed by the lack of depth in this conversation when it comes to BOTH sides and their utter failure to realize just how simplistic and ignorant they are being. Some talking points: No one ever seems to mention the fact that most of the so called “cost” incurred is not from the laborers coming over to make a buck but rather a couple generations down the road. Its the disenfranchised kids of the laboring families that are stuch in limbo that really create a nightmare- no interest in education, no tie to the ‘American Dream’, but also lacking the work ethic and traditional values that their parents parents had. Loosing the good of the home culture and taking the bad of their new home>> gangs >> welfare >> both social and real economic cost with NO BENEFIT. Yeah, there might be a day laborer picking fruit of 2 cents a pound or a gardener that send their kids to school without paying property taxes, but think deeper. They pay use tax, they pay sales tax, they would never buy property anyhow @ their incomes so their landlord is paying RE tax and its coming from their rent pmt- so give me a break- in this respect the cheap labor and its resulting cost saving to you food and labor bills really do break even. Perhaps if the legal system was emended to actually fulfill our need of cheap labor supply to the point that illegal immigration would not be encouraged (supply and demand 101) those coming would be somewhat more inclined to ‘set roots’. See, a vast majority of illegal immigrants enter with no plans to stay here permanently, this re-sets their cost benefit analysis in decisions that effect their integration into society. the goal is to maximize profit… ergo 5 families to a home and little ones working along side mom and dad when they should be at school… more money saved to take home and live like a king right? This is the situation, especially in farming areas like Stockton. Whats the incentive to play by societies rules when you are not part of it and don’t even really want to be? Problem is that most do end up staying and a couple generations down the line you have real issues. Perhaps replace some of the family based allotment to people who want to come and work… its something like 75% of immigrants that are family based, and the rest are high skilled. Perhaps the regular workers need a valid way in too- then they could say, you know- we will be american now, perhaps Jose should go to school, and perhaps I should demand decent working conditions, etc. Of course, this could only work if it was actually enforced that coming illegally was not ok, this is the hard part for the breading hearts to understand. You cannot create a proper system if it could simply be bypassed. EMPLOYERS would need consequences, not just the migrants, especially since they have so much to loose, much more so than the migrant who just gets kicked across the border to come back and try again tomorrow. People also fail to recognize the diplomatic consequences. Mexico is F’d. Migration serves as a steam valve, relieving any pressure for the country to improve its economic situation. Why do the people leave- because it sucks. Will it change?.. no- why? because everyone who is educated, connected, ambitious or hardworking simply leaves.
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LBriscoe Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Illegal aliens certainly contribute more to > > soceity than they receive (unlike most people > in > > the tea party). > > Source?? Common sense.
purealpha Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > AlphaSeeker Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > LBriscoe Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Illegal aliens certainly contribute more to > > > soceity than they receive (unlike most people > > in > > > the tea party). > > > > Source?? > > > Common sense. Sure sure. Common sense among illegal immigrants… But seriously, if it’s really common sense among the general population, why poll after poll showed more Americans support the Arizona Immigration Law than opposing it?