ohai Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought Obama got elected because everyone hated > Bush. The internet alone couldn’t have pushed an > 80/20 election result. The election wasn’t that lopsided. 53/47 popular vote (67/33 electoral result).
Sweep the Leg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Load up on UCO. Now my 401k is pretty much all > silver and oil. This should be fun. until it blows up…have you done any of the levels yet? might as well take your money to the casino
transferpricingCFA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ^Its nothing like south africa was. There are > plenty of arabs living in Israel, allowed to > freely live as part of israeli society. The same > cannot be said for the majority of arab > countries. > > They all come to western countries wanting to > practice their beliefs and kick up a storm if > anyhting impedes them in the slightest way, yet > back in their home countries its islam or nothing. That’s not true, there are religious minorities through out the middle east that are more or less allowed to practice their faith. Even in Iran which is deeply intolerant of religious minorities there are Jews, Bahai’s, Christians and Zoroastarians practicing their faith albeit quietly. You don’t know what you’re talking about and the last paragraph you wrote makes it quite evident.
Why do they practice their faith “quietly”? Why not openly hain?
I like this bodhisattava guy
Palantir Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do they practice their faith “quietly”? Why > not openly hain? Elements within the Iranian government are still fairly antagonistic towards non muslims, especially bahai’s, though not as bad as they were in the 1980’s.
bodhisattva You are a total idiot. You just tripped yourself up in your own argument
bodhisattva Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sweep the Leg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Load up on UCO. Now my 401k is pretty much all > > silver and oil. This should be fun. > > > until it blows up…have you done any of the > levels yet? > > might as well take your money to the casino You are an idoit. Are you referring to silver or oil as a pure gamble? I’d be more than willing to put my portfolio up against your well diversified basket of low-cost ETFs any day. I was at the casino on Friday an played craps for nine hours straight. Won a nice chunk of change. It’s all about calculated risks.
I don’t exactly agree with bodhisattva one bit, but comparing a portfolio of commodities to a portfolio of ETFs is comparing apples to oranges. If done right, ETFs most definitely have their place. I vehemently disagree with his statement comparing oil and silver to the casino. It’s not going to “blow up” anytime soon as is most certainly nothing compared to the risks of a casino. When you’re investing, whether commods or diversified portfolios of ETFs or even individual, illiquid speculative investments, the risk-reward should generally pay off in a fair manner… even if the asset or portfolio lies well below the CML. On the otherhand the risk-reward at a casino is most certainly not stacked in your favor and is most certainly not fair by any means. The odds are ALWAYS stacked in favor of the House and this bit is common knowledge. So to compare commods to casinos is ridiculous. OT: I go to the casino from time to time… the Craps table is too complicated. I love BJ, but I don’t know how to count cards so the odds will never ever be in my favor there either. Roulette on the otherhand; I am convinced some strategy exists where the probability could be stacked as close as possible to 50/50 (house would still be in favor of course)… I love Hold’em, but that’s something I do with my buddies.
tj2001 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don’t exactly agree with bodhisattva one bit, > but comparing a portfolio of commodities to a > portfolio of ETFs is comparing apples to oranges. I was being facetious. I forget it doesn’t work on analysts very often. I’m tactically playing silver and oil (can you tell I’m slightly bearish on the dollar?) in addition to a broad basket of other stocks and mutual funds.
Sweep the Leg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > tj2001 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I don’t exactly agree with bodhisattva one bit, > > but comparing a portfolio of commodities to a > > portfolio of ETFs is comparing apples to > oranges. > > I was being facetious. I forget it doesn’t work > on analysts very often. I’m tactically playing > silver and oil (can you tell I’m slightly bearish > on the dollar?) in addition to a broad basket of > other stocks and mutual funds. No worries, I do agree with you, things should get interesting for the next little while. … But forget all that, let’s get down to some serious business: There IS a way to crack the Roulette table. I can feel it in my gut. Help a brotha’ out.
transferpricingCFA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > bodhisattva > > You are a total idiot. You just tripped yourself > up in your own argument yeah you’re right, either way israel sucks. sweep the leg - you got me wrong, im a pure value guy thats why I made the comment, you aren’t even investing you’re just speculating which is a few steps below gambling.
Why because israel has able to build a little piece of land in the desert into a democraticly and thriving economy, that produces lots of technological breakthroughs and has much much lower levels of poverty than the rest of the region around it. And most other countries in the area are pretty much dictatorships where a few people at the top have all the money, and there is no such thing as humaan rights. F*** Off bodhisattva bodhisattva Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > transferpricingCFA Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > bodhisattva > > > > You are a total idiot. You just tripped > yourself > > up in your own argument > > > yeah you’re right, either way israel sucks. > > sweep the leg - you got me wrong, im a pure value > guy thats why I made the comment, you aren’t even > investing you’re just speculating which is a few > steps below gambling.
bodhisattva Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > transferpricingCFA Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > bodhisattva > > > > You are a total idiot. You just tripped > yourself > > up in your own argument > > > yeah you’re right, either way israel sucks. > > sweep the leg - you got me wrong, im a pure value > guy thats why I made the comment, you aren’t even > investing you’re just speculating which is a few > steps below gambling. The idea that speculating is somehow close to gambling is quite wrong. By this definition, nearly all growth oriented mutual funds–as they often invest in illiquid, speculative small caps–are somehow gambling, when in reality these mutual funds are an integral part of a growth oriented investor’s portfolio.
bodhisattva Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > sweep the leg - you got me wrong, im a pure value > guy thats why I made the comment, you aren’t even > investing you’re just speculating which is a few > steps below gambling. Not investing? Let’s see…Silver is in backwardation as never before seen, after COMEX delivers on Monday it’ll have two-three months of inventory left, it’s nearly impossible to buy the metal in any sort of quantity, it actually has industrial uses that are growing rapidly, demand from China and India is insane, and it also has that whole “store-of-value” thing going for it. Speculating? Of course. I hope every investment we make as some degree of speculation in it. I believe what you’re attempting to refer to is risk. No worries though. I’m sure you’re great at using that trusty dividend discount model.
tj2001 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > bodhisattva Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > transferpricingCFA Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > bodhisattva > > > > > > You are a total idiot. You just tripped > > yourself > > > up in your own argument > > > > > > yeah you’re right, either way israel sucks. > > > > sweep the leg - you got me wrong, im a pure > value > > guy thats why I made the comment, you aren’t > even > > investing you’re just speculating which is a > few > > steps below gambling. > > > The idea that speculating is somehow close to > gambling is quite wrong. By this definition, > nearly all growth oriented mutual funds–as they > often invest in illiquid, speculative small > caps–are somehow gambling, when in reality these > mutual funds are an integral part of a growth > oriented investor’s portfolio. How many growth orientated investors come out ahead over a 30+ year time horizon? Transferpricing, South Africa could and did lay that exact same claim back in the 1980’s too. Except they, like Israel, over looked the fact that they effectively disenfranchised and terrorized significant proportions of the population living within their territories and then had the audacity to express outrage over the consequences.
bodhisattva Wrote: > How many growth orientated investors come out > ahead over a 30+ year time horizon? Compared to the overall index? Quite a few. Compared to “value investing”? Again, quite a few. Apples to oranges here, different risk categories. No one’s arguing that there isn’t more risk involved in growth oriented funds.
Value, growth, small, large. Why not just find securities you think will go up? Except Quant. Those guys suck.
Okay I’ll admit I am a bit of a fundamentalist in terms of my philosphy, i am also a contrarian who likes to fight. Each to their own, I must say I am attracted to the allure of growth stocks and metals.
Sweep the Leg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Value, growth, small, large. Why not just find > securities you think will go up? Except Quant. > Those guys suck. Admittedly I’m new, and it’s often hard to find underpriced securities (I do indeed stand by the DDM), but yes, those I find I would purchase.