Actually i opened this topic because there was once i met a guy who i kind of liked who talked about his sexual history in our first “date” - well it’s not a real date but we were dining just the two of us.
Anyway, after he told me his stories i had ZERO fantasy towards him… >_<
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Sounds like he was just insecure and trying to impress.
I’ll take a look at the book, even though I have the impression that it will just confirm what i already know.
I read a quick summary on Amazon. The author states women seek men with high status and generally “marry up” on the socio economic front.
I wonder if a generation from now this will still be the case. Women are now catching up to men in pay and many “manly” professions have been hit hard in the last decade. Add to that that wealth is being more concentrated at the top and there is less of a middle class to choose a potential mate from.
This tells me either one of 2 things will happen:
The top 20% of men will have it better than at any other time in modern history
Women will have to adjust their expectations.
I feel there are too many people out there who feel entitled to be with someone great. They overvalue their worth. If there’s only 20% of guys that are “great”, you must be in the top 20% of women to have a chance to keep a man. It doesn’t matter how great you are on an absolute level, you should compare yourself on a relative level.
Many people use as excuse that they are picky to explain why they’ve been single for so long. The reality is that they refuse to temper their expectations. The “market” is telling you you are a “7”, yet you are still holding out for a “9”. A bunch of people are chasing after the same select few.
I also read in the summary that the more women age and become financially successful, the harder it gets for them to find a potential long-term mate. They face a double whammy. Men prefer younger women and women prefer to marry up (which is difficult the more successful they get).
I’m not surprised by that finding. I personally know 2 women in their early 30s that are smoking hot and make a 6 figure income. They can’t find a man. They are looking for “ambitious” men (read: high economic status) without realizing that those men are looking for younger women.
You can look at Black American women as a possible peek into the future. Black women on average have improved their income and status far more and far faster than black men have (for a variety of reasons: they cont for two categories of diversity for the affirmative action minded, many whites also find African American women less threatening than African American men, and there are undoubtedly many other reasons, including hard work on their part).
However, black women often complain about a lack of “marriageable” black men, either because of unemployment, fewer options for them, incarceration rates, etc… Sure, they could potentially go out and marry white men or others, and some do, but many would prefer to be with a black man and find that guys like our CvM are too few and far between.
As speculated earlier, this type of situation may be coming soon to a white woman near you.
Yeah, you can skip the book, you already know what’s in it. But if you have time, there are some hilarious sections. One part that I laughed out loud at was interviews with a bunch of students from both genders at an elite medical school. The male doctors were loving it, they were about to come into doctor status and had women throwing themselves at them 24/7 and it sounded like the male doctors spent a lot of time chasing hot nurses. The homely female doctors were like, WTF? Why be with a hot nurse when you can be with me, a homely, high income doctor? They were all butt hurt about it because the female doctors all wanted to marry up but mostly couldn’t find higher income men at all, and when they did, the higher income men ignored them.
This will be the trend in society. You are correct, men in the top 20% will have it the best they ever have in modern history. This is a reversion to the mean. Historically (before modern times and the institution of marriage), DNA evidence has suggested that only about 30% of men successfully reproduced anyway. And that’s in a culture where rape unfortunately must have been prolific. So it’s always been roughly a top 1/5th proposition for men – the goal should always be to be better than the majority of other men. These days if you are over 25 or 30 and unmarried with a high income, are fit, educated, social, tall or tall-ish, decent or good looking, etc. you are already in the top 5% of single men anyway. Probably several people on this board meet that criteria set.
I think to some extent most cultures realized the same points bromion an FT are making, but we’ve merely forgotten them over time. Women always want to marry up, and have been historically married off to older men.
I wonder how much income inequality can be attributed to this. As someone said once, doctors used to marry nurses , now they marry other doctors. This type of pairing can leading to more stratification.
I think it’s the opposite. Women’s catching up in pay gives them flexibility to look for a partner based on other more important qualities than income. Women are less obsessed with marrying “up” these days.
Honestly, the ship has likely sailed for them yet they haven’t realized it yet.
They should’ve locked a guy in when they were 26-28. I am in my early thirties and successful, for a long term relationship I am looking for someone younger then me because I am not ready to get married and I plan on having atleast 2 kids. That will be hard if I marry a 35 year old.
I use to work at an addiction treatment centre and as part of continuing education for some of the staff we went to a seminar by Burns. He’s the real deal, I would definitely recommend reading his books.