I was holding the pencil after the exam for about three seconds. The procter told me that he is going to write a report about me writing after time was called. Is there anyone who previously had the same experience ? It seems to me that there is no possibility for me to get away with it. Moreover, as I try to argue with cfa more, there will be just more delay, but the result would be same anyway. then I might possibly miss the next registration due date. All I am hoping now is to take it again in the next June. What is the best way to deal with my situation ? Could you please give me an advise ?
It’s happened to lots of people. It turns out that there is just not that much you can do about it (other than read AF where I implored people not to do this the day before the exam). You will very likely be asked to accept a private censure and a voiding of the exam. You can’t claim you are innocent because of “I was holding the pencil after the exam for about three seconds” (which means you weren’t innocent). You should just accept the exam voiding, private censure (which means nothing), and study up for the next session. You might want to just keep it to yourself from here on in (When someone asks how you did say “Well, I didn’t pass” and if they persist “You mean you failed?” grimace and say “That’s such an ugly word”).
thank you. yes… there are a lot of people like me( last year I believe that there were about 80 people) I saw your posting, “Don’t mess with CFAI” , it is absolutely more important than any exam material, every candidate should read before the exam. Do you think that it is better off admitting it in my statement during the investigation? So it would be less waste of my time. I heard some people who tried to appeal. However sine the process is very slow, they ended up missing the next session.
And nobody ever wins this kind of thing. You would be saying, well, I held my pencil past time but I didn’t write anything so it doesn’t matter. They would say it’s a rules violation that has nothing to do with writing. You would say it’s a dumb rule. They would shrug and give you a public censure instead of a private one. There might be some really aggressive, risky things you could do here but I’m pretty sure your best move is to put up a mild fight, let them offer you voiding and private censure, take it, sign up for L1 again. There was a 2 out of 3 chance that was going to happen anyway.
I wonder if this reflects on you later on…( as far as ur relationship with the Institute goes) or when getting the charter.
No- it means nothing. You get the charter same as everyone else.
Do you know in which case they would give “public censure” ?? since now it is only thing I am afraid of.
Here’s how it will go if you don’t do anything foolish: a) In a short time you will get the complaint from CFAi and they will ask you to respond to the complaint. b) Your response will say that you were deeply absorbed in your exam and thinking intently about financial statement analysis so you carelessly disregarded the proctor. You didn’t write anything after time was called but you wer just holding your pencil while changing gears too slowly. You would never do anything to violate the code of conduct which yu deeply respect. c) They will write back and say "well, that’s good but these rules are absolutes and you violated them. You can continue with the appeals process (risking everything up to public expulsion from the program) or you can accept private censure and voiding. d) If you go on and don’t want to spend lots of money on legal fees trying to intimidate PCP and CFAI (possible but expensive) you will get public censure and voiding. If you accept they will send you a nasty letter that you don’t even have to read and take the exam again in June. The latter is the much better choice.
I deeply appreciate for your help. It will definately help me to rewrite the response since I was going to blame the proctor and the director bitterly. It should seem to them more likely an apology… Just thinking how pathetic I am, working on the way to get “private censure” and voiding the result…
Do the proctors have to tell you at the time of the incident, that you are in violation? or can they send off a report to the CFAI without your knowledge?
afo0257 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do the proctors have to tell you at the time of > the incident, that you are in violation? or can > they send off a report to the CFAI without your > knowledge? The scuttlebutt is that they have to tell you. The reality is that people tell me they have no idea about the charge until they get the letter from CFAI. In the middle, I have heard stories about proctors chasing test takers out to the parking lots to tell them they are submitting a report. I believe the rules are that they have to tell, but practical problems prevent them from doing it sometimes. You can’t get out of a PCP problem by running away from a proctor.
seancfacfa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I deeply appreciate for your help. It will > definately help me to rewrite the response since I > was going to blame the proctor and the director > bitterly. It should seem to them more likely an > apology… > That wouldn’t work. If you had a very specific complaint about you interaction with the proctor on something complex (e.g., you were trying to adjust your hearing aid so you could hear “pencils down” but the proctor stopped you from using it) that might work. > Just thinking how pathetic I am, working on the > way to get “private censure” and voiding the > result… It’s disturbingly common.
Wow, that’s really, really, really…REALLY dumb. 
JoeyDVivre Wrote: \ > > The scuttlebutt is that they have to tell you. > The reality is that people tell me they have no > idea about the charge until they get the letter > from CFAI. In the middle, I have heard stories > about proctors chasing test takers out to the > parking lots to tell them they are submitting a > report. I believe the rules are that they have to > tell, but practical problems prevent them from > doing it sometimes. You can’t get out of a PCP > problem by running away from a proctor. Joey: How can you defend yourself in this kind of situaiton? Let’s say they buzz me for suspiciously going to the bathroom too many times before the AM session. I have the clear defense of drinking too much diet pepsi, being nervous and wanting to get away from the loud mouth who was behind me before the start of the test time. This could easily be explained to a proctor. But to use this situation hypothetically, what if I got a letter? How does one defend oneself post fact?
In that situation, you would just claim that you have broken no rules and there was nothing wrong with going to the bathroom 7 times. You would be fine. Suspicions don’t cut it. The cases that get brought are all like this one. The proctor says you clearly did something against the rules, and CFAI takes no prisoners in the proctor’s word vs candidates word.
So you can have a violation that you don’t even know about until a letter comes? How long does it take for these letters to come?
Thanks Joey.
dinosaur Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So you can have a violation that you don’t even > know about until a letter comes? How long does it > take for these letters to come? You shouldn’t worry about it - very rare. Probably be coming any day now.
JoeyDVivre Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dinosaur Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > So you can have a violation that you don’t even > > know about until a letter comes? How long does > it > > take for these letters to come? > > You shouldn’t worry about it - very rare. > Probably be coming any day now. hahawhat an oxymoron. dont worry about it. it should be coming any day now. nothing wrong with the statement, just kinda ironic.
Though I have not had any issue with the CFAI PCP, I am grateful that Joey is around to help me out should that unfortunate day arise. I think I speak for us all in thanking Joey for all of his advice.