# NPV/IRR with negative cashflow

Hi everyone, I wanted to request some clarification on IRR/NPV calculations as I have seen some scenarios where there appear to be different opinions on which cash flows to be considered and how the IRR should be derived.

I understand NPV compares the original investment amount in Year 0 to the discounted cash flow for each year (Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4, Y5,… plus terminal value) and the difference between the original investment amount and the total of the discounted cash flows for all the years is the NPV i.e. add up all the cash flows from Y0 to Y5.

How does this work when applied to the free cash flows (FCFE) of a new business? If the Y0 investment amount is taken as negative, and all annual cash flows are then positive, we can simply add them up since the negative amount represents cash outflow (from an investors perspective) and the annual positive amounts are excess cash flows that can be distributed back to investors.

However, if the Y1 cash flow is negative, should this be ignored in the analysis or is this still included? Considering the Y1 negative cash flow is not actually an investment into the business but rather the cash being used up in the business operations and this cash is part of the original investment amount funded into the company, which has already been included in the Y0 investment amount. Positive cash flows in subsequent years will still be added as they are FCFE so can be distributed as dividends.

So, in summary, is it correct to state that Y0 cash flow will be the investment amount (shown as negative amount), Y1 cash flow will only be included if it is positive and ignored if it is negative, and Y2 cash flow will be included if it is positive…

Alternatively, should we ignore the initial investment amount and just consider the Y1 negative cash flow as the investment amount, but this doesn’t seem accurate as the original investment may be higher to fund project startup phase, and then reduces as working capital and other items normalize during the course of the year.

Would appreciate any help on this, thanks!

No. A negative cash flow in Year 1 means that the company had to spend more money on the project at that time, and this amount is not included in the cash flow at year 0. Yes, you have to include all cash flows, positive or negative, when calculating the NPV. The negative cash flow at time 0 is only the initial investment in the project, nothing more nor less.

edit: Note that you could also calculate IRR in this case, but you may or may not get a unique solution for IRR.

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If you are the one making the investment in the business then you need to include it. If the firm isnt returning any cash to you and not asking for any then you wouldnt include.

Eg:
Invest \$100k in start up

Year 1:
Theyre losing money but dont need any new investment at this time. Y1 = 0

Year 2:
Need more cash to fund business
This will be a negative # since you made an investment into the business.

Remember, the IRR is a money weighted return so the amount of cash affects it. The NPV is a time weighted return thus it is affected by the timing of the cash flows.

Negative cash in Y2 is cash leaving the the entity and should be include in the NPV.