Obama on immigration

That’s a non sequitor to my comment. The US *does* have plenty of semi-literate ne’er-do-wells who are perfectly capable of working for low pay, but the government ensures that they don’t have to. The supply of domestic low-wage workers is constrined by US policy.

No it doesn’t. You’re living in dreamland if you think the Poors are subsidized by the government so that they don’t have to work.

Anyways, we don’t want “ne-er do wells”, we want the people who actually want to do “do well”.

I agree 100%, which is why I’m in favor of allowing people who want those jobs to have them. It bothers me that a good part of the immigration debate is politicians pandering to lazy or racist white people who complain about Mexicans because they don’t want to admit that their “skills” are only worth about $5 per hour. I don’t care what race the guy who performs unskilled labor for me is, and that’s the reality these guys need to embrace.

Again, just personal observations here, but Mexicans generally cooperate, have good family structures, and take care of themselves, like many generations of Asians, Jews, Russians, etc have done in this country. The ones that go to school and learn the language have every opportunity to succeed.

In my city there are bums on every corner and they’re 100% middle aged anglo or black men. “Hard times” or “Need work.” I have zero sympathies and don’t give them a dime because at that same stoplight there are 12 Mexicans piled in the back of a truck, covered in dirt, on the way to their second job.

^I’ve never subscribed to the “mexicans are lazy” stereotype. As far as I can tell, those guys are willing to do manual labor in any sort of weather, all day for what I generally spend on my hourly alcohol budget.

Good on them.

From personal anecdotes Skilled immigration is easiest to the USA which does not discriminate much on ethnicity unlike a few other western nations. The system could perhaps be made even more lenient but the factors that are pulling skilled immigrants aways from the USA and back to their homeland are things that cannot be combated with relaxed and easier laws.

They are detailed nicely in the Kaufmann report

Losing the best and brightest

LOL!! good call

agree. There are far too many people that have a choice. Get free handouts for cash, food, heatlhcare, and energy and do nothing. or work your butt off and take in some minor incremental extra $

Heck, I’d take Option 1 too.

Illegal immigrants make up 3% of the population but 31% of prisoners.

False. 24.2% of inmates are citizens of other countries. I’d wager at least some of them are here legally, but even so, your number is way off.

http://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

How many of them are in jail for something other than being in the country illegally?

Your post is extremely deceiving and I’m calling shenanigans on you. A person making 12k a year is probably TAKING tax dollars, not PAYING tax dollars. Consider this scenario:

  1. Husband makes 12k income. Wife makes 6k. They have 2 kids under the age of 10 because these people screw like rabbits.

  2. The standard deduction cuts off the first 12k

  3. The $3800 personal exemption x 4 people cuts off the next 15k (they didn’t even need 9 of it)

The tax base is ZERO, so it doesnt matter if the they have to pay a self exmployment tax. X% of 0 = 0

Assuming in some fantasy land that their income is high enough, they still get tax credits for childcare expenses and the fact that they have kids.

  1. Then they’re probably collecting and EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit). I’m sure 95% of you have no fucking clue what that means so I’ll explain: Basically, the government rewards you for being part of the “working poor” section of society. So you get a $3600 bonus for earning a meager living instead of being a welfare recipient.

  2. Plus, if the guy was a W-2 employee instead of being self employed, he gets the $1000 back in withheld taxes. His tax base was zero, remember?

The fact that this guy is Mexican is irrelavant. My point is that these people are running to the tax office to collect ~$4000 from the rest of us, not to contribute jack shit!

SOURCE: Masters in FP&Taxation, years of PWM experience, and 1 season at a tax office in the ghetto doing similar work to what you did.

100% wrong on these.

No SSN, No EIC. What hacksaw university is your masters from?

Pay attention to details when you’re studying for Level 1.

Fun anecdote being a legal immigrant. Just went to renew my driver’s license. Had my passport, my immigration documents, etc. Did everything, picture, etc…and then “Sir, we can’t renew your DL today.”

“Why not? I have everything.” “Well, you do, but the computer isn’t authorizing you and this is going to have to run through immigration for them to clear you, then come back.” “How long does this take?” “3-20 business days” Never mind that my DL expires within that time frame, given the holidays, and when asked what I could do, they advised me to not drive on an expired license. Unbelievable… you can have all the right paperwork, valid and unexpired, and still deal with this. Last time, I got my DL on the spot like a regular person.

Never mind most anybody else can just renew online for years and years and have a photo ID that doesn’t resemble them, but whatever… not to mention anybody that’s here illegally probably won’t bother to get a valid DL.

I don’t know how you do it in KC, but this is how we do it in Illinois: http://www.originalredneckfishingtournament.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqykDINEcGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9QlIE0lDcU

What state? My wife is also a legal immigrant and will have to renew her PA license this summer.

Texas, but it seems to only apply to non-citizens and non-green card holders.

^ Thanks. Hope you get it worked out sooner rather than later.

Right, because we all know that illegal immigrants respect and follow American laws, eh?

I bet you think gun control stops criminals from shooting too!

bump…because I saw today that the Republic of California is now offering drivers licenses to illegals.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-opens-drivers-license-applications-to-illegal-immigrants/

I bet I couldn’t get a drivers license in Mexico…