There are no arguments that will make you change your mind. You are a woman that thinks like a woman. You will never understand how a man thinks…and if you do…you will find it strange because it won’t be rational to you given your experiences, hormones, biological makeup, desires, etc.
Uhh okay I’ll take a shot even though this is probably a waste of time.
There is a notion of “falling in love” and “deep meaningful connections” and so on that you are referring to. This is a very modern notion.
In fact, men and women are each wired to be optimal at passing on their genes successfully. For a man, this means seeking many beautiful women as partners. The primary decision criteria is based on physical beauty. Everything else is secondary.
Of course even men have the cognitive ability to desire / seek additional qualities (albeit with the constraint of limited blood flow as we discussed in another thread). For a long-term partner a nice personality, loyalty, etc. are all desirable qualities for most men, but they are only relevant after some minimum threshold of physical beauty is achieved by the woman. All straight men know this, it is not up for debate.
The more desirable the man in terms of status, fame, wealth, confidence, looks, etc., the higher the female beauty threshold (because he can).
Paul Walker was pretty close to the top of the list. Which makes it incredibly awkward and weird that he would choose a very average looking woman.
The falling in love, etc. modern notion isn’t wrong, it’s just that people get the weighting backwards – some people think it is around 80 / 20 for the feel good stuff vs. looks. In reality it is around 20 / 80 in favor of looks (red pill time).
Or as ohai said, “Pretty much all female problems can be solved by just getting hotter.” True statement.
^Only problem with this is that “beauty” is a subjective trait. You don’t find her that attractive, maybe even most people don’t. That doesn’t mean he didn’t.
One only need look at how the concept of female beauty has changed over the years to realize this. Interestingly, one of the only concepts of beauty that I can think of that has maintained through the ages is youthful appearance…and she was 17 years his junior.
Bromion isn’t telling us anything we don’t know. She meets the beauty threshold he talks about which means all the other factors come into play.
Looking at a pic and saying he can do ‘better’ is stupid. In terms of looks obviously…who knows? Maybe her other characteristics make her the most alluring woman out there
I think physical beauty is not primary but rather the first criteria that men consider. The other qualities (personality, loyalty etc) come into play later but that doesn’t diminish their importance…
I agree there is a minimum beauty threshold. But once it’s met, the development of “deep meaningful connections” and ensuring the parties share the same moral values will play a much larger role in sustaining a healthy LTR. Assuming that’s the goal of course…
In real life, many good looking men date average looking girls, and let’s be honest, his gf is not a super hot girl that one would expect leonardo to date, but she is still above average.
I don’t really remember saying that, but upon consideration, this does seem like something I might have said. Special needs kid should not be categorized as a “female” problem. However, it should be noted that factors that make it easier to care for the special needs kid can be improved by increasing hotness. For instance, being promoted in your job to get more money, asking for time off from work, help from friends, attracting a husband (for single moms), can all be improved through hotness.
Yeah you said it, but I wasn’t trying to call it out in a negative way, which I guess is how it was interpreted because I think you were trying to be funny in the context in which you said it. But I still think it’s true. Becoming hotter won’t cure cancer, but it does pretty much cure any day-to-day problems a woman would have. Of course someone took it out of context as a way to ignore what I was saying, no real surprise there.
This forum certainly took a turn for the best. May i add that when looking for a gf one would typically look for characteristics of caring and loyality. All needs of attraction can be satisfied through a comare.
I read about this marriage concept in my high school history class. From what I recall, people would get married at their prime (16-18) and then die of the plague a few years later. I thought the idealogy died with the death of god and the discovery the world was circular.