Short sale against the box

When using short sale against the box to deal with the concerntrated position, will the investor still have the dividends from the concerntrated position? Or the dividends will pass through to the lender of the stocks shorted?

Until the short sale is open I’d say the short seller has to pay dividends to the lender.

It means that if dividends are NOT available at the party who did short selling.

You pay dividends to the short seller lender.

Incorrect. If you are short selling you pay dividends to the party who lended the stock

https://www.sec.gov/answers/shortsale.htm

I meant the short lender. It came out seller.

Sorry then agreed! :slight_smile:

But you do get the dividends on the stock you own.

The net effect is that you get the dividends on the net stock position: what you own less what you sold short.

Not sure how in depth the material gets but you pay divs on the short, receive divs minus tax witholding on the long. In real life you will sometimes also have to make up the tax for the short stock lender if they are div sensitive and pay a grossed up dividend (countries with div imputation)

nice catch.

can the concentrated position be put into a tax free account?

Hi Verse214 the reason of this in-depth review it’s because I come across a question that says “you, in quality of short seller, can offset borrowing costs with the dividends”…the answer was a NO because you have to transfer them to the lender and allow me to say that it makes sense cause you technically sold them, you pay interests and you should not get any monetary right (i.e. dividends) out of the assets you sold.

Hope it helps,

Let me bring this up again, so you short and invest the proceeds in risk free assets to get the risk free rate. BUT if you have to pay dividends to the lenders, you’ll end up with a return less than the risk free rate, right?

Yes. But this comes out of the price of the stock, so it’s all equal in terms of risk and return. In other words, shorting dividend paying stocks should not be less attractive than non-dividend paying stocks.

No.

At least, not net.

Remember that you still own your stock, so you’re getting those dividends on your stock. You pass them along to the party from whom you borrowed the stock that you sold.

The alternative would be that you sold your stock, so you wouldn’t get those dividends. The net result is the same: you net no dividends.