So Harvard hates me....

[Black_Swan]

@Greenman72

One last thing–it’s a good thing this is an anonymous forum. If you called my Dad/Grandpa an SOB to my face, I would beat the shit out of you. And I probably still will if I ever meet you in person.

Save a swing for me.

[brain_wash_your_face]

Eh, I can see both sides of the argument for affirmative action. I do think that it should be more needs based than it already is. If I remember the stats correctly whites have more poor people in absolute terms but blacks and hispanics have more poor people as a percentage of their population. A needs based approach would still help to correct racism, but more appropriately.

[stormyhotel]

@Black_Swan

@stormyhotel

^ Maybe you need to sit your dad down and ask him why the f**k he CHOSE to stay involved in a business that makes it difficult for him to support his family. He had a choice! Compare that to poor blacks who where turn down for menial jobs, housing and even schooling! If you are poor and white, don’t hate on blacks or Hispanics for what you perceive as an on fair advantage. You should hate on your dad/grandfather for being useless SOBs who squandered their American dream.

I find it very ignorant and disturbing that young white kids will usually put up an imaginary wall between what their white ancestors did and themselves. The consequence of those injustices are all around us. Prime example is Black Swan’s family’s access to 1000s of acres of land, not long ago black where forbidden to own land. Who worked day and night in those fields?

Edit* comment was meant for Greenman. But f**k you too interacom

So when white people are poor, it’s their parents fault. But when black people are poor it’s white people’s fault. Makes sense, and not a generalization at all, I’m sure.

Lets add to this. My father grew up with absolutely nothing. Dead broke. Had to basically drop out of high school school to work and help his father try to raise several sisters. Just learned how to use email last year, and still struggles with the difference between spelling “ant” and “aunt”. He had several steel traps he would use to catch muskrats and raccoons when he was growing up, which they would eat and he would sell the pelts to support his family. Yes, that’s right, in the 1960’s this was how they were living in the appalachian mountains. So he had business savvy at a young age and began trading his friends furs they caught as well in middle school. By the time he was 16-18 he had his friends involved. By the time he was in his mid 20’s he was moving so much fur and deer hides he had a 50 foot yacht. The fact is, you never had to go through what he did growing up in the 50’s with 1 single light bulb in the entire house. I never heard him make excuses, maybe that’s why he made it Stormy, and your parents didn’t, or maybe that’s why he has thousands of acres YOU DISMISSIVE RACIST. Oh, and I don’t think slaves worked the corn fields in minnesota (where our land is), but what do I know. Next time you sit down and generalize our parents maybe you should start asking yours those same tough questions.

Another story, one of my best friends’s mother is first generation chinese. She came over on a boat with two kids as a single mother at the age of 20 with zero money whatsoever, and not knowing English. After working factory jobs at minumum wage, she now has a self made business. I can’t imagine someone doing more with less. But I’ve never heard excuses about white people from her either. And don’t think Chinese in the mid century didn’t experience racism.

I’m not going to separate what I may or may not accomplish from what my parents did. That’s impossible. But I will say that what my father and my friends mother did are also examples of people who did massive things without generations of wealth (or even any wealth) to their benefit. And it offends me to hear them talked about that way.

Wow your dad had it bad. He had to drop out of school? How many blacks in the 60s graduated high school or even had access? He is just learning how to use email and cannot spell…Poor guy lol .I gues you ran out of personal sad stories and had to resort to “my minority friend” line

Black, I have a lot of respect for you and I clearly said who my comment was meant for.

[brain_wash_your_face]

So, it’s all excuses? Valid excuses or not, seems like stormy blames historical institutionalized racism and greenman blames affirmative action for much of the difficulty they encounter in life. Really, there are better things to spend your brain waves on.

[ohai]

@stormyhotel

Black, I have a lot of respect for you and I clearly said who my comment was meant for.

This is like running into two people of the same ethnicity, making a racist comment about one of them, and then saying it’s not meant for the other guy…

I’m really more surprised… appalled really, that you are taking it so lightly that two white guys just threatened to beat you up. How can you let this go unanswered?

[Black_Swan]

@stormyhotel

Wow your dad had it bad. He had to drop out of school? How many blacks in the 60s graduated high school or even had access? He is just learning how to use email and cannot spell…Poor guy lol .I gues you ran out of personal sad stories and had to resort to “my minority friend” line

Black, I have a lot of respect for you and I clearly said who my comment was meant for.

So you’re admitting these two people had comparable situations but chose not to sh*t the bed and blame race. Cool story man. It’s a good thing at least one of us doesn’t buy into stereotypes, huh.

[stormyhotel]

@ohai

@stormyhotel

Black, I have a lot of respect for you and I clearly said who my comment was meant for.

This is like running into two people of the same ethnicity, making a racist comment about one of them, and then saying it’s not meant for the other guy…

I’m really more surprised… appalled really, that you are taking it so lightly that two white guys just threatened to beat you up. How can you let this go unanswered?

Black aint shit without his high powered rifles

[Greenman72]

@brain\_wash\_your\_face

So, it’s all excuses? Valid excuses or not, seems like stormy blames historical institutionalized racism and greenman blames affirmative action for much of the difficulty they encounter in life. Really, there are better things to spend your brain waves on.

I’m not blaming affirmative action for any of my difficulties. I never said I was the victim of reverse discrimination. I was merely using my past and a hypothetical Oprah Jr. as an oversimplified example of why I think affirmative action helps those who don’t need help and fails to help those who do.

I don’t mind if somebody disagrees with me, especially if they have a well thought-out, rational point. I don’t particularly appreciate being called an idiot (a la Blake), but I can accept it. What I’m not willing to accept is somebody calling my Dad a name, especially when he doesn’t know me or my Dad. I’m pretty sure Stormy is a coward who wouldn’t say that in person.

[Black_Swan]

@stormyhotel

Black aint shit without his high powered rifles

lol

[ohai]

@stormyhotel

Black aint shit without his high powered rifles

Are you saying that as a black person, you live in fear of armed intimidation? What is your experience and opinion about this?

[Inner_Evil_Voice]

stormyhotel’s mind must be in excruciating pain every time he sees white people in the office.

[Ramos4rm]

Chill whites, blacks, hispanics, and chinese…why dont we talk about logical amendments to affirmative action. Stormy, you can’t honestly believe it’s a perfect system and you’re all deserving of it because of what you’re ancestors went through years ago?? (i’m assuming youre black, correct me if I’m wrong…I’m hispanic, hi guys). I don’ think affirmative action would affect a white or black genius…im sure they would both get jobs. Maybe we should just focus on getting our credentials up. Affirmative action helps people on the margin. I was denied financial aid in school several times for just being above the household income thresholds. I’ve been denied jobs because I wasn’t qualified. The job I have now was from perseverance. Personally, I havent felt the effects of affirmative action that apparently as an hispanic I should be feeling.

[Black_Swan]

They took our jeeerrrrbbbbs!

[Ramos4rm]

@Black_Swan

They took our jeeerrrrbbbbs!

lolz…i grew up in a black neighborhood…elementary school basketball was my favorite…me and my boy shaquon used to hang all the time…then we got in a fight over shanaynay and i never heard from him again…we were 7.

[itera]

stormy is one of those people who act like the world owes him, as if something that happened many generations ago long before even his own parents were born should mean he should get some free advantages in life for whatever reason.

Reminds me when he first appeared on AF, he told everyone how he was accidently paid more by his employer, and then tried to justify not giving it back when they found out. For $2k.

Reminds me of SuperiorReturn a while ago, who got banned.

[Black_Swan]

^lol, sh*t, I forgot that. Classic first post.

[Greenman72]

If somebody got banned from AF, they must have been pretty bad.

[Inner_Evil_Voice]

^ Many people got banned during the “Hard Regime” era of AF. Blink the wrong way and bang! you got banned.

Things have changed.

[Ramos4rm]

Can we see this post that got him banned? Is that kosher?

[ohai]

Yeah, basically everyone got banned at some point.