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Production values! Cute animals!
Cool trailer, but I didn’t think you were a Star Wars nerd.
After having rewatched Rogue One and the Force Awakens. I think Rogue One was far better. Hope they can get the main storyline back on track.
Rogue One was far, far superior.
The cast from R1 was doomed from the start but I liked that crew a lot more than Rey/Fin/Poe. Also probably one of the best space battles shown on screen, ever. Better than Ep VII.
That said, I’m looking forward to seeing Luke again, and see what he’s been up to.
Claim: “Rogue One: One of the best space battles shown on screen, ever.”
Verdict: FALSE
Nine minutes of battle between an armada of star destroyers and rebel frigates and you can count on one hand how many weapons are fired by the large ships. They only fire a handful of puny lasers defensively at approaching light spacecraft, otherwise content to sit illogically not engaging one another like the ultimate flaccid space props. The lone offensive maneuver by any of the capital ships was to play bumper cars with some destroyers. It not only looks ridiculous it defies all logic given the liability of even having the ships there when the entire Rebel fleet was jump capable.
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I thought Force Awakens was far superior to Rogue One. Rogue One wasn’t a bad movie, but everything was built to a lower specification than Force Awakens. The script was not done as well. There were hardly any memorable lines or character development, other than those involving the Alan Tudyk robot. There were many unexplained plot holes and illogical character motivations. I found the female lead to be unlikeable and uncharismatic. The soundtrack was unexceptional. I still don’t see the point of the two Chinese guys, or the pilot character, or most of the supporting cast, for that matter. All of their plot lines could have been given to the better characters, like the Spanish guy, who was wildly underdeveloped.
Force Awakens had more of a blockbuster character than the original Star Wars movies, and I think this did diminish some of its appeal to Star Wars enthusiasts. However, it was just a good movie overall. Most of plot made sense in the context of the Star Wars. The characters were well written and all their motivations made sense. The villain was compelling and relatable - it was also interesting how he was very intimidating at first, but once he was unmasked (figuratively and literally), you realize he is just some dorky kid with issues he can’t control. The cinematography was epic and astounding - I will never forget the shot of Rey riding across the desert with the crashed Super Star Destroyer in the background.
There were countless well thought out details that cost money and they didn’t have to include in the movie, but they did anyway. For instance, Leia’s shuttle is a repurposed B-Wing. Most people have no idea what this is, but it makes sense, since the Resistance has barely the resources to scrape by. To the fans who have followed Star Wars closely for their whole lives, details like this make a lot of difference and make the story much more believable.
Most importantly, Force Awakens succeeded in a way that most sequels do not. It expanded on the base content originally and created questions and plot issues that the audience cares about. Who is leader Snoke? What is Rey’s back story? Who are the Knights of Ren? What happened to Luke that caused him to become disillusioned with the Jedi Order? The fact that these interesting questions arose is proof of the quality of the writing, the thought process, and hard work that went into constructing this scenario in the Star Wars universe.
Again, Rogue One was not a bad movie. However, it did not have these layers and depth. Force Awakens, on the other hand, succeeded in all aspects. It takes aspects of any movie - effects, writing, casting, art direction, attention to detail, and brought them to groundbreaking standards. Disney knows how to spend $200 million on a movie, and I’m sure the next Star Wars movies will be great as well.
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You provided no example of a better battle scene. Fact Check fail.
They are myriad, your claim was invalid, Fact Check has spoken.
you only have to name one. fail.
as for ohai’s analysis I am pretty sure I wrote a long comparison in the other star wars thread. we should just merge these threads.
BSG: Assault on New Caprica / Pegasus destruction, joint Pegasus assault of Resurrection ship and BSG final destruction
SW: Return of the Jedi final assault
ST: DS9 in general (Sacrifice of Angels), First Contact Sector 001, Jem’Hadar, there’s some good ones in the movies too
Serenity: Alliance main battle
Always a PITA dealing with pop Sci Fi newbs. Congrats you saw a Disney Star Wars movie and were awed, we get it.
Although BS’s opinions on numerous topics, most notably gun control, are ludicrous, Fact Check is correct in this particular case. The Rogue One space battle was competent from a technical perspective. However, it was undermined by various nonsensical events, most notably when the two Star Destroyers collided and destroyed the entire Imperial facility. This was a stunning, unbelievable display of strategic incompetence and comically undermined the entire scene.
The scene was also relatively insignificant from the perspective of cinematography and plot development. The special effects were high quality, but not really better than those of most modern high budget movies. From a story telling perspective, the battle was not as important as say, the Battle of Endor, which was an all-in fight for the fate of the Galaxy, nor was it as iconographic as the Hoth battle or even the first Death Star attack, both of which showed audiences spectacles that had not been seen before.
In the spirit of fairness, however, I will acknowledge that even though Rogue One will be inevitably relegated to the back pages of Star Wars mythology, its space battle did have one of the most memorable and bad ass moments in Star Wars. This was when the rebels attempted to hyperspace jump away, but they crashed into the Star Destroyer that suddenly appeared. If the movie’s singular goal was to pander to Darth Vader fans, then it should be considered a success.
The Last Starfighter - the scene where they spin around like a top and magically shoot all the bad guys’ ships.
BSG great show but TV budget. Haven’t seen this in a few years but I would be loathe to argue against BSG.
ROTJ, probably the best. Agreed
DS9, can’t say I’ve seen this episode, wasn’t a fan of the series. Watching X number of boring seasons to get to the good stuff doesn’t appeal to me.
First Contact 001 TV show, I think this lasted about 30seconds, but whatever gets you off. The First Contact movie was slightly longer and satisfying but by no means the best. The one in Nemesis could have been good but the last scene was a bit incredulous.
Speaking of newbs, expecting Correllian Corvettes, transport ships, and Nebulon class frigates to engage Imperial Class Star Destroyers head on is a prime example of one. In fact there was only one capital ship on the Rebel side (Raddus/Profundity) and that was captured at the end of the battle by Vader. The Rebels were never supposed to win that battle, it was purely a delaying tactic that emphasizes how desperate the ragtag Rebels were at the beginning of the Rebellion - risking the majority of their tiny fleet to get the plans to a super weapon. Keeping the Imperial Fleet occupied was the objective - not destroying it
When was the last time stormtroopers hit a real target? How many deathstars have they built? Didn’t the Executor do the same thing in ROTJ? If we have learned anything from the Imperials it’s they lack vision, squad depth, and choke to no end.
And battle of Hoth is probably my favourite of the series.
In ROTJ, a stormtrooper shoots into the sky and hits an Ewok’s glider. The Ewok falls to the ground, thus killing him. This counts as a hit, because the target was killed.
And in ROTJ, a stormtrooper shoots and destroys Artoo. Since the target was neutralized, this counts as a hit.
And in ROTJ, a stormtrooper shoots Leia in the arm. However, he doesn’t kill her. So this does not count as a hit, IMHO.
AFAIK, this is an exhaustive list of when stormtroopers actually hit anything they’re aiming at. (Original Trilogy)
And the time one of them shoots Princess Vespa’s hair.
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I think you are missing the greater point, which is that the Rogue One space battle was not that special or memorable. It wasn’t even crucial to the plot - it was just there because Star Wars movies generally have space battles. People will forget this scene in a few years, whereas truly groundbreaking scenes, like those in any of the original Star Wars movies, are remembered and constantly referenced in popular culture. The weaknesses in Rogue One’s battle are more pronounced because the scene has few noteworthy characteristics otherwise, either in terms of effects, or in terms of cinematic significance.
Wasn’t crucial to the plot? Now you’re just trolling. How else were they going to get the plans for the Death Star to Princess Leia?
Which brings up a huge plot hole, when Darth Vader boards her ship in A New Hope and she says she’s on a diplomatic mission. She was, in fact, just in a huge space battle literally a few minutes ago.
Wait - I forget that at the very first of ANH, the stormtroopers are certifiable badas$es. So there’s that.
Maybe that was the stormtrooper SEAL team that invaded the rebel ship.