my argument is that sexuality is subjective. if you remove the barrier of being naked, then what is not okay? so i can “clean” myself thoroughly in the shower in a girls’ locker room and you and she are supposed to be okay with that? who’s going to be able to say that i did or did not touch myself. what if i have an erection because i like what i see but i don’t touch it. is this acceptable? this becomes a he says, she says nightmare with no evidence either way other than the fact that i never should’ve been there.

Greenman72:
Really? People who are confused about whether they are male or female “can suffer based on some current conditions”?
If you were transgender born a man, transitioned and lived your life as a women but according to a law that was passed in your state or town that now said you had to use the mens room I could see how that would make you suffer.
Should sex changes be covered by insurance? How about race changes? And height changes? I tend to identify with shorter people.

Greenman72:
Really? People who are confused about whether they are male or female “can suffer based on some current conditions”?
If you were transgender born a man, transitioned and lived your life as a women but according to a law that was passed in your state or town that now said you had to use the mens room I could see how that would make you suffer.
I was born a man, but now I’m going to transition and live life as a car. I stand in the parking lot and go “Vroooom!!!” I even have a tattoo above my ass that looks like a license plate.
And people have the audacity to tell me that I can’t sleep in the parking garage, but that I have to go to my house. That is definitely making me suffer.
It’s the world’s fault that I suffer, because they are not sympathetic to my feelings.

Should sex changes be covered by insurance? How about race changes? And height changes? I tend to identify with shorter people.
No, elective surgeries should not be covered. Not at all shocking you identify with shorter people, you certainly come off that way.

Ghibli:
Should sex changes be covered by insurance? How about race changes? And height changes? I tend to identify with shorter people.
No, elective surgeries should not be covered. Not at all shocking you identify with shorter people, you certainly come off that way.
So now transgender is elective?

So now transgender is elective?
Being transgender is not, the surgery is. I am sympathetic to the argument otherwise, but you can (and many people do) certainly live your life as a person of that gender without having reassignment surgery.

Yayyywork:
Greenman72:
Really? People who are confused about whether they are male or female “can suffer based on some current conditions”?
If you were transgender born a man, transitioned and lived your life as a women but according to a law that was passed in your state or town that now said you had to use the mens room I could see how that would make you suffer.
Should sex changes be covered by insurance? How about race changes? And height changes? I tend to identify with shorter people.
worked for lil kim
hahaha this is an amazing thread! We almost had to put a uni sex bathroom in our new office but somehow avoided it!

Not at all shocking you identify with shorter people, you certainly come off that way.
Lol

Yayyywork:
Greenman72:
Really? People who are confused about whether they are male or female “can suffer based on some current conditions”?
If you were transgender born a man, transitioned and lived your life as a women but according to a law that was passed in your state or town that now said you had to use the mens room I could see how that would make you suffer.
I was born a man, but now I’m going to transition and live life as a car. I stand in the parking lot and go “Vroooom!!!” I even have a tattoo above my ass that looks like a license plate.
And people have the audacity to tell me that I can’t sleep in the parking garage, but that I have to go to my house. That is definitely making me suffer.
It’s the world’s fault that I suffer, because they are not sympathetic to my feelings.
your ignorance knows no bound
^ See that doesn’t bother me at all. Seems normal.
Greenman72:
Yayyywork:
Greenman72:
Really? People who are confused about whether they are male or female “can suffer based on some current conditions”?
If you were transgender born a man, transitioned and lived your life as a women but according to a law that was passed in your state or town that now said you had to use the mens room I could see how that would make you suffer.
I was born a man, but now I’m going to transition and live life as a car. I stand in the parking lot and go “Vroooom!!!” I even have a tattoo above my ass that looks like a license plate.
And people have the audacity to tell me that I can’t sleep in the parking garage, but that I have to go to my house. That is definitely making me suffer.
It’s the world’s fault that I suffer, because they are not sympathetic to my feelings.
your ignorance knows no bound
Not seeing the ignorance. He is illustrating the absurd. Maybe he can walk you through the analogy…

Not seeing the ignorance. He is illustrating the absurd. Maybe he can walk you through the analogy…
I got a laugh out of GBs comment thinking it was a “you monster” type of thing. I thought he was being sarcastic, but I could be wrong
I wish I was going to college right now instead of 18 years ago.
In 1998, I had to self-identify as a white male. But now, I can identify as a half-African American, half-Native American left-handed female. This would almost certainly be in my favor, both for admissions and scholarships.
But once I graduated, I would certainly plan on going back to being a white male.
It’s all relative to how you feel at the time.
I don’t get why people are always so ready to comment on what is and isn’t valid about others. Like the people who insist that all gay people are wrong for saying they’ve always been gay, clearly an unrelated heterosexual person is better informed than the person themselves. So people say that they’re pyschologically a different gender than they are physically, are you really such an expert on the human brain and its response to hormones during pre and post natal development to not take that at face value?
Given that we all start out in the womb with female genitalia which then becomes male depending on the release of hormones, is it really that infeasible that over the course of human evolution things don’t end up totally binary? Even before you consider the % of the population that are born of ambigious gender, look within the ‘normal’ heterosexual population, there is clearly a huge range of masculine vs feminine hormones displayed. And I’m not talking about the culturally affected behaviours, look at things like jawline, muscle mass, bone structure etc.
tl;dr, who really gives a fuck and how can people be so certain about things they don’t have direct experience in?
this was my view from way back on page 1 so nope, not being sarcastic.
I don’t get why people are always so ready to comment on what is and isn’t valid about others.
If you got a dick, you’re a man. If you don’t, you’re a woman. Check the corresponding box, and use the corresponding restroom.
There’s your validity. There is no room for “opinion” or “judgment” or “culturally affected behaviors” or “ambiguous gender” about it.
^ Seems reasonable. And I really don’t mind if you use the girl’s room AFTER you cut it off.
^^ How come every person I am friends with on facebook that posts something along those lines is white trash? Why are you so concerned about these people? Does it offend your delicate sense of your manhood? If someone wants to “identify” with something let them. You sound as ridiculous as those militant athiests.

gringo\_bob:I don’t get why people are always so ready to comment on what is and isn’t valid about others.
If you got a dick, you’re a man. If you don’t, you’re a woman. Check the corresponding box, and use the corresponding restroom.
There’s your validity. There is no room for “opinion” or “judgment” or “culturally affected behaviors” or “ambiguous gender” about it.
Greenie c1958: “If you’re black, sit at the back of the bus. If you’re white sit at the front”
It’s funny that you quoted “culturally affected behaviours” like you did and revealed your total lack of reading comprehension.