Two questions on FRA/Swaps (possible conflicting answers)

1st q asks: equivalent to a pay-fixed i.e. receive floating 2nd q asks: equivalent to a receive-fixed, i.e pay-floating 1st answer : The determination dates for the floating rate will be at months 6, 12, and 18 2nd answer: The first FRA is entered into at time 0 with the payment determined at 6 months . I don’t see a difference ( or problem ) . The FRA is a forward agreement on swaps to be priced 6,12 months hence and paid 12,18 months later in both questions ( 1st one has one more 6 month tenor). Both cases identical for 1st two payments , determination and payment terms . The FRA is a contract without a preset price , just an obligation to price and pay at the current rate 6 months later

in the first q, it says " the first payment is known with certainty and will be made at month 6." so it implies that determination and payment made on same date? second q: “The first FRA is entered into at time 0 with the payment determined at 6 months and paid at 12 months.”

1. Both of these questions are on SWAPS. In Swaps => Always rate is known in advance - and pays in arrears. the first payment is always known IN ADVANCE. You know the current month 6 month LIBOR, based on your contract you know the fixed rate. SO you know who pays who - but this payment is always in arrears.

cpk: i undersstand. payments are known in advance and paid later. but in the first question, it says payment is known at t = 0 and paid at t = 6. in the second, it says it is enteres at 0, determined at 6, and paid at 12. isnt there a conflict there?

“the first payment is known with certainty and will be made at month 6” is referring to the SWAP whereas “is entered into at time 0 with the payment determined at 6 months and paid at 12 months.” is referring to the FRA. The second answer explanation is worded poorly, implicit is the fact that the first payment on the swap is known.

Sorry guys, but I still dun think I quite follow here. For the 2-year semiannual fixed-pay swap in the example Q1 above, I thot there would be 4 payments in months 6, 12, 18, 24… Can someone walk me thru the differences (similarities) of the settlement/payment dates for the swap and FRA? How many payments are there for each and when are the settlement, payment determination, and payment dates? Thanks a mil!

And while we’re at it, can we also compare those to interest rate options (calls and puts)? Obviously, the equivalence would be a series of long calls and short puts (with a strike rate = 6%), but for how long and at what expiration/settlement/payment dates? Thanks so much again!!

FRA has one settlement date.

Right, but the 2-year semiannual fixed-pay swap should have 4 settlement dates and payments, so how is it equivalent to only 3 FRAs??

Period 1 payment is already known, since you know the fixed rate, and the current LIBOR (which you will pay in arrears 6 months later). You do not need an FRA for that. but you would need 3 FRAs for the remaining 3 transactions.

So if I understand correctly, the equivalent series of interest rate options would be 3 long calls and 3 short puts with strike rates of 6% that expires in 6, 12, and 18 months, so that they pay in months 12, 18, and 24 as well?