I can’t seem to find the link showing the outrage and protests in support of the dead NYC cop. Can someone post…I just keep seeing links showing outrage over a drug dealing thug (arrested nine times for selling narcotics. Out on probation. Can be stopped at will.) dying suspiciously in police custody.
The guy that killed the cop in NYC is facing a near certain outcome of either life in prison or the death penalty at this stage. I can’t seem to find the link showing the criminal charges brought against the cops that killed the unarmed black man, can someone post?
Here you go
I feel like a Hooligan is a cousin to a Goblin, IDK why!
You know, if they’d just done this a few weeks ago this whole thing would have been fine. Like that SC case where the guy was shot in the back. Three days later it was fine, instead they have to wait until there are riots to take any action, which is why the Baltimiore case was really mismanaged. Anyhow, glad to see they did charge them, but waay too late. I liked this quote from the article, kind of sums up my points I’ve been making, thanks Higgs!
"Standing on a nearby street corner, Renee James, 48, said, “ There’s no need to go tear up the city no more. ”
Her friend Antoinnette White, 53, said of the riot: “Hurting innocent people was nonsense. I cried.”
But Abdullah Moaney, 53, an information technology worker from East Baltimore, said that “peace has lost its credibility.” Seeking to justify the violence that broke out Monday, he said that “if it wasn’t for the riot,” charges would not have been filed."
Great… not only is there no way of knowing this for sure, but now people like this advocating violence are going to be quick to the gun in the future. I can see it now… “Minimum wage isn’t $30/hr!!! BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND!!!”
I agree with all of your points. Violent conflict is essentially always the result of failure of peaceful negotiation. My point throughout this thread is that these sort of escalated tactics have a time and place, in this case, the people were being ignored and action was not being taken. If the future result is a higher level of proactive accountability and action, then hopefully this will be the last of the riots we’ll see for awhile.
I was thinking over the weekend about how peaceful protests are often touted by governments (agency problem, anyone?) as the best course of action with a few anecdotal examples to build the case. As I thought about examples such as MLK, and how they typically exist alongside a Malcolm X type, I got to thinking that maybe we have it all wrong. Maybe peaceful protest isn’t the best course of action. Maybe it’s been (the classic for a reason) good cop-bad cop routine all along. Just because the good cop (MLK) gets the deal by providing the relatable and approachable party does not mean the bad cop (Malcolm X) was not as integral to the negotations by adding the sense of urgency and consequence. Similarly the ANC offset the peaceful efforts of Mandela, while the revolutionary movement in India offset Gandhi. That’s my take anyway.
^ Makes sense.
In general, people in government have thick hides, no incentive to act, no systemic accountability, and don’t give two hoots for those getting a raw deal as long as their own troughs are filled. They need to be pressured into any action. Occasionally, media scrutiny and the resultant (small) likelihood of losing their seats are enough for politicians. Other times, you have to light a fire under their seats by whatever means necessary.
Wow, mob rule. That’s a scociety I want to live in. Already happening in energy policy. Why not in coming up with criminal charges? This should be fun. I’m adding to my arsenal. The DA didn’t even have time to review the evidence nor did She sight it. She said She was giving the youth want they wanted. She should be removed. Certainly not following her oath. At least five will be acquited and maybe one sacrificial lamb. I’m sure these six officers, three black and a woman, woke up intending to kill a drug dealing thug. Hang them all to appease the mob. What were the cops motives? Not a hate crime. Were they just trying to be manly in front of their female colleague? Or maybe after arresting him for the tenth plus time, they just lost it? Didn’t one of the cops have some history of mental illness?..Is BS a paid shill?
The state’s attorney for Baltimore City, Marilyn J. Mosby, filed the charges almost as soon as she received a medical examiner’s report that ruled Mr. Gray’s death a homicide, and a day after the police concluded their initial investigation and handed over their findings.
Ms. Mosby faulted the police conduct at every turn. The officers who arrested him “failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray’s arrest, as no crime had been committed,” she said, describing the arrest as illegal. Officers accused him of possession of a switchblade , but Ms. Mosby said, “ The knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law.”
Ms. Mosby said Mr. Gray suffered a spinal injury while being transported in a police van — and not earlier , while being arrested — and pointed to the failure of the police to put a seatbelt on him as a crucial factor.
“Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside the B.P.D. wagon,” she said.
Despite repeated stops to check on Mr. Gray, the van driver, Officer Goodson, and other officers never belted him in, she said, at times leaving him face-down on the van floor with his hands behind him. Though there has been speculation that the police intentionally gave Mr. Gray a “rough ride,” intended to slam him against the metal sides of the van, Ms. Mosby did not refer to that possibility. She charged only Officer Goodson with second-degree murder, the most serious crime facing the six officers; he was also accused of manslaughter, assault and misconduct in office.
Mr. Gray’s condition deteriorated, she said, as officers repeatedly ignored his pleas for medical attention and ignored obvious signs that he was in distress. At one point, she said, when officers tried to check on him, Mr. Gray was unresponsive, yet no action was taken. He died of his injuries a week later.
Mr. Gray started the fateful ride on the floor of the police van , Ms. Mosby said. A short time later, Officer Goodson “proceeded to the back of the wagon in order to observe Mr. Gray,” she said.
“At no point did he seek, nor did he render, any medical help for Mr. Gray,” Ms. Mosby said.
A few blocks later, he called a dispatcher to say that he needed help checking on his prisoner. Another officer arrived, and the back of the van was opened. “Mr. Gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe,” and asked twice for a medic, Ms. Mosby said. While the officers helped him onto the bench in the back of the van, she said, they still did not belt him in.
While they were there, she said, a call went out for a van to pick up and transport another person who had been arrested. “Despite Mr. Gray’s obvious and recognized need for assistance, Officer Goodson, in a grossly negligent manner,” answered that call, rather than seeking medical help, Ms. Mosby said.
At the van’s next stop, Officer Goodson met the officers who made the initial arrest, and a sergeant who had arrived on the scene. Opening the van once again, they “observed Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon, ” Ms. Mosby said.
The sergeant, she said, spoke to the back of Mr. Gray’s head, but he did not respond. “She made no effort to look, or assess, or determine his condition ,” Ms. Mosby said.
When the van finally arrived at the Western District police station and officers tried to remove him, “Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all,” she said. A medic was summoned and found Mr. Gray in cardiac arrest. Then he was rushed to a hospital.
meh
^ Sounds like a naive someone who’s never been the subject of police “hospitality.”
I think this might be one of those “do not pass go” situations. Mods?
STL, for some reason it doesn’t really bother me. I think it’s just the obviousness of the attempt.
The da is speculating the intent was a rough ride. Pathetic. It’s all speculation. Sounds like the cops did check on him and thought he was fine. The thug died later in the hospital. Medical attention was called when it was determined he needed it.
“Though there has been speculation that the police intentionally gave Mr. Gray a “rough ride,” intended to slam him against the metal sides of the van, Ms. Mosby did not refer to that possibility.”
BTW, this is all from Higgs article earlier.
She didn’t say rough ride, but did say injuries obtained as a result of the van ride, speculating a rough ride or beating during the ride… Are you ok? I didn’t write that she used the term. Why the strange obsession with trying to counterdict, unsuccessfully? Doing the same thing with higgs. Get help if you need it.
meh
Hmmm, resorting to acusations, speculation of your own and forcing words into the DA’s mouth.
I accept your admission of defeat at the hands of my superior intellect, ONWARD HO!