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im willing to bet china will stay on the sidelines like they always do
The Chamberlain analogy was never applicable to Iran and very borderline to Saddam (post-Kuwaitt). I agree its been overused. The cure is not worse than the disease. Allowing ISIL to genocidially kill all of the Shi’a in Syria and Iraq and continue to build strength for further incurisons into Lebanon, Turkey, Iran and beyond isn’t really a good solution. It’s better to address them today when they are easily defeatable rather than after they have established statehood and have a larger stockpile of arms, money and terrorists. You see, ISIS thrives on its existence as a caliphate. Muslims go fight for ISIS as its caliphate status itself provides religious motivation to do so. This status needs to be terminated. Then the flow of combatants will slow.
^^ China needs to put its big boy pants on and become an active participant in all this crap. They are now the world’s largest oil importer, so they need to do their part to secure the flow. The US should tie its continued involvement in the region to China’s involvement. Sending advisors to Syria doesn’t cut it.
Secure the flow? Is there a supply scarcity the rest of the oil industry doesn’t know about?
There is no doubt IS has to go, that said, how well has invasion and occupation worked so far? It’s been a failure in Afghanistan and Iraq, and ISIS is already an outgrowth of the previous failure in Iraq.
Fantastic article here: http://www.vox.com/2015/11/23/9782082/isis-defeat-assad
As they note, what’s worse is ISIS impossible to solve without solving Assad. Assad feeds ISIS both directly and indirectly, and as long as he is there, it is impossible to develop resistance against ISIS. Obama is wise to wait and be patient while working on shrinking ISIS territorially.
Does “keep the flow secure” work better for you? If turmoil in the ME cut off the flow of oil from the region, there would indeed be a supply scarcity, hence extensive US involvement in the region for the past 6 decades or so.
Given that the West is determined to invest resources into addressing these conflicts, I don’t see why China has to do anything. China does not have or does not care about terrorism issues (they probably cause more of their own citizens to “disappear” all the time), nor do they have anything to gain by making a military show in the Middle East (GW Bush). Oil is still very cheap. So China just does their own thing and doesn’t try to solve other peoples’ problems. Kind of like Chinese people in general.
They’re more concerned with controlling the south china seas.
Hell no way. China’s wisdom has always been inaction; not causing the problem to begin with, thus not having to solve it (besides, there IS NO solution once you make these messes, the solution was to not). Lao Tsu was very clear on this stuff.
Why should China mop up the West’s mess? There is no solution anyway, other than staying out of it. Doing nothing starts now.
Purealpha- read at least the last two paragraphs of this http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm.and tell me more about how westerners are a bunch of meddling imperialist jerks.
I would lol hard at this but I fear that you are being genuine. Please do us both a favor and stay in China minding your own business.
Everyone’s comments about China prove my point. They are getting all the benefits of region’s resources, and are paying none of the cost. Put into a context most of you will feel more strongly about, China is basically tapping into your cable and getting Cinemax porn on your dime.
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cannot believe purealpha is an ISIS sympathizer
LOL at the comparison of price to pay (lives to lives). here’s a guy who believes two wrongs make a right
Note to self: never read another comment by pure-alpha again
i would really like to see russian and european nations, and arab nations get together as a team. US will advise. This will be more than enough funding, firepower and leadership.
won’t happen as long as Putin backs Assad and other nations are too pansy to challenge him. This whole extremist mess is because arab nations don’t police their own. They only show interest in doing anything when we open our pocketbook for them. Then they turn around and hand the weapons to the terrorists half the time.
last time i checked russia and france are working together along with jordanian air force. this is a start.
that it is a start. But where is it going? Hopefully to iradicating ISIS from syria. It’s a shame If it’s all to prop up Assad but better that he just terrorizes his own people than ISIS terrorizing everyone.
You want the Sunni’s policing Shi’a and vice-versa? You speak as though Arabs or Arab Muslims are all the same. They are not. I am completely sure that the Saudis would love to police Assad’s ass right into the execution block. But that’d throw the region into even worse disarray as Iran would likely need to directly engage.