new revelations in that post.
If you don’t think those guys were killing themselves you don’t know anything about their lives. Everyone one of them knew exactly what they were doing. Chris Farley even went so far as to state he only hoped he lived until 33 because that’s how old Bulushi was when he died. You can kill yourself through drugs and alcohol just as easily as with a gun. It just takes longer. Comparing them to high-risk adventure seekers makes no sense.
So everyone suffering from chemical addiction is intentionally committing suicide and depressed. Got it.
There’s zero evidence any of them intentionally overdosed and all were habitual users. In the regard that you’re comparing potentially self destructive behavior to suicide, comparing them to high risk adventure seekers makes total sense. You can kill yourself base jumping just as easily as with a gun.
At this point, *to me* this just looks like empty holy roller conjecture on your end to try to fit a narrative given the absence of any actual evidence supporting your point in these examples. The only thing missing is TF chiming in about the illuminati and a reddit subforum link.
Try and stop talking shyte then.
bs going strong with his narrative that nobody is presumed depressed/suicidal until a notarized certification from an MD in good standing is presented as evidence, respect.
Didn’t bchad himself write about the link between comedy and depression and how it applied to him?
So, what ended up being his last AF post?
I don’t know how a man with any pride (and he did have a lot) could not be depressed being employed 2 out of the last 11 years. No matter how positive you try to be or how many salsa classes you take to shake it off, it will affect your self esteem. Add to that his childhood trauma and an apparent serious disease and you have a bad recipe in your hands.
Precisely, don’t really see why this issue is so debatable. Quacks like a duck…
I can empathize with the pain of the loss and the emptiness that comes with the lack of understanding but I don’t see what is to gain by deconstructing his reasons/reasoning for going the way he chose to go. Correct me if i’m wrong, but I think he would have liked to be remembered fondly for the life he lived and not through a tireless analysis of the way in which it ended.
Hmm…say what?
typical AF.
Because I’m not arguing that external events didn’t make him sad or in a “depressed” mood. I’m saying it’s simplistic to rule out that he made a clear minded personal decision in response to his situation. Which was the point he himself was making in the Robin Williams thread. The other debated point is that he was clinically depressed (a disease, not a mood) and that led to irrational thoughts and therefore his actions.
In terms of “clinical depression” which was used earlier, the symptoms include loss of interest in normal activities and relationships and look like this:
- Fatigue or loss of energy almost every day
- Feelings of worthlessness or guilt almost every day
- Impaired concentration, indecisiveness
- Insomnia or hypersomnia (excessive sleeping) almost every day
- Markedly diminished interest or pleasure in almost all activities nearly every day (called anhedonia, this symptom can be indicated by reports from significant others)
- Restlessness or feeling slowed down
- Recurring thoughts of death or suicide
- Significant weight loss or gain (a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month)
Only one of which was observed by anyone close to him. People just throw around terms here either without knowledge of what they actually mean or without caring. I have a headache, MUST be brain cancer.
I think it is useful and important to deconstruct the reasons for suicide (especially as he provided a note) so that we can learn and prevent this from happening to others we may know. I learned that maybe if we reach out to people who we sense are struggling rather than berate them for not trying hard enough we can get them to seek help.
Who cares if it is “clinical” or not? The guy was clearly very, very unhappy. You realize he killed himself, right?
Basically because of this:
Clinical would more likely be a primary source of cause with the circumstances being ancillary while being in a depressed mood would have been ancillary to circumstances and a personal decision that were causal. In other words it comes down to whether this was really his own personal choice or the side effect of a disease.
We’re going way off topic now, and I’m not even talking about bchad…Do you know anything about the guys I mentioned? They all suffered from depression and it’s pretty well known. Again, bchad aside, I’m not sure why you’re disagreeing with this particular point. It’s pretty well known all those guys had real mental health problems.
I used to go to a lot of comedy, so I’m familiar with them in that sense. What I’m unfamiliar with are concrete examples of any of these guys being diagnosed (or even really demonstrating) any from of mental health issues or depression outside of addiction. Being unsatisfied with an aspect of your life is not the same as depression or actual mental illness beyond people trying to score a headline (which is something Robin William’s wife complained about with the editorials trying to form a narrative).
I mean, you could say that about anyone in retrospect, “They were really unhappy with XYZ.” But that isn’t what a mental health disease or clinical depression is. Chemical addiction though is a completely separate issue and each of those overdoses was officially ruled an accidental overdose. That’s an actual fact. Saying by extension that everyone chemically addicted is suffering from depression and therefore suicidal is just simplistic.
There are some terrific biographies on Kurt, Farley, and Bulushi that may be on Netflix and their certainly replayed all the time on channels like Biography and some new channel called Reelz. There’s a lot of info on various Podcasts too, especially on Hedberg and Geraldo. In this case, I think you’re just ignorant to what these guys were going through you’re debating without knowing their circumstances. I read/watched/listened to a lot on all of these guys and others, so I think you’re out of your depth here. Learn about their lives. It’s quite fascinating. The tl;dr version - they were all very depressed, had major social anxiety issues, and chose to self medicate. In the case of Hedberg and Farley in particular, each knew they were going to die. In Farley final days even his friends knew he was going to die and there wasn’t anything they could do to stop him.
And, you final sentence, “Saying by extension that everyone chemically addicted is suffering from depression and therefore suicidal is just simplistic,” I didn’t say that and I’m not saying that. In fact, I’m saying pretty much the exact opposite. Many people suffering from depression choose to go overboard on drugs, food, and alcohol to deal with it.
Oh, Artie Lange is another one that survived an “accidental” OD and he’s talked about his bouts with depression and how he essentially was trying to kill himself. Just because he didn’t OD with an exact date in mind doesn’t mean he wasn’t trying to kill himself.
By contrast, I’d say someone like Heath Ledger probably was more of a truly accidental OD. Sure, he had problems too, but if you learn about his case it’s very different from someone like the others I mentioned.