^ They both lived in Harlem. Maybe it was his alter ego.
Why though? Why is this so hard to believe? Why must it be a ‘lie’? I mean maybe it could be but it could also very well be the cold hard truth.
I will concede that there were factors that prevented him from getting monetary rewards in line with his talent but if these factors were not ‘depression’ then the logical thread follows that it was not the cause for his final decision. Just like he mentions.
He also held himself to high standards and genuinely wanted to change the world. If this goal becomes unfeasible and there are no dependents then what’s the problem? Not everyone wants to stick around just to see what happens.
Edit : Alphie got there first
Ohai, I answered your similar question earlier. The distinction between depression (mental disease) and depressed (sad mood) is one of causality. It matters, like watching a captain choose to go down with his ship and then walking away shaking your head because he must have suffered from depression. Surely he was sad about his circumstances, but it’s obvious that he made a conscious decision to weigh the factors and choose his course. The difference between clinical depression and being depressed resulting from your circumstances are large in my mind.
In simple terms, you say this and I disagree that it’s a foregone conclusion:
That’s a Chad thing, not a mods thing.
I genuinely don’t understand the side some people are arguing here. So you go to your therapist and discuss that you have persistent suicidal thoughts and are planning how to do it. Is he/she going to look at the clinical depression checklist posted by BS and ask, “But have you lost/gained over 5% of weight in the last 2 months? No? Well you’re fine, you seem like you thought that one through.” Of course there is a wide range of factors that are relevant when establishing a diagnosis and a wide range of depressive disorders or other mental illnesses that one might be diagnosed with, but when suicidal thoughts and intent enter the picture, you will be diagnosed.
What’s being argued is causality. Are these thoughts just pervasive and arise almost independent of circumstance? That would clearly seem to be depression driven and probably come with many of those symptoms listed above. But if a guy named Yoshi walks in and says he “just bankrupt the family business and must commit Harakiri to preserve his honor” then you might think this is coming from a different place. Trying to talk to him about depression is going to miss the point, fail to persuade him as you’ve misdiagnosed. The point here is that sometimes it’s a personal decision based on values and sometimes it’s depression. Sometimes it’s a combination of both.
Somebody asked, “What was his last post?”
This was on Dec. 28th at 11:40. http://www.analystforum.com/forums/investments/91355438
And this was at 11:46. http://www.analystforum.com/forums/careers/91355394
There may have been others, but these are the last ones that I can see.
I normally avoid interjecting in a Black Swan discussion, but this is covering a recent interest of mine. Black swan seems to be focused on choice. Have you read Sam Harris’s missive on free will? I’m not so sure I agree with his rejection of the existence of anthropomorphic vs scientific truths, but it’s really fascinating philosophical discussion on if someone who is depressed really is any different than just a sad person. It’s too detailed for me to explain via this phone keyboard, though.
Tim Finnegan lived in Wattling Street A gentle Irishman mighty odd He’d a beautiful brogue so rich and sweet To rise in the world he carried a hod
See he’d sort of a tripling way With love for a liquor poor Tim was born To help him on with his work each day He’d a drop of the Craythor every morn’
One morning Tim was rather full His head felt heavy, which made him shake Fell from the ladder and broke his skull So they carried him home, his corpse to wake
Rolled him up in a nice clean sheet And laided him upon the bed A bottle of whiskey at his feet And a gallon of porter at his head
And whack Fol-De-Dah now dance to your partner Welt the floor, your trotters shake Wasn’t it the truth I told you Lots of fun at Finnegan’s wake
His friends assembled at his wake And Missus Finnegan called for lunch First they brought in tay and cake Then pipes, tobacco and whiskey punch
Biddy O’Brien begged to cry Such a nice clean corpse did you see Aye, Tim me boy, oh why did you die? Arrah shut your gob said Paddy MCGee
And whack Fol-De-Dah now dance to your partner Welt the floor, your trotters shake Wasn’t it the truth I told you Lots of fun at Finnegan’s wake
Then Peggy O’Connor took up the job Biddy says she you’re wrong I’m sure Biddy then gave her a belt on the gob And left her sprawling on the floor
There the war did soon engage Woman to woman and man to man Shillelah-law was all the rage An a row and a ruction soon began
Mickey Maloney raised his head When a bottle Of whiskey flew at him It missed him falling on the bed The liquor scattered over Tim
Tim revives, see how he rises Timothy rising from the bed Whirl your whiskey around like blazes Tonamondeal, do you think I’m dead
And whack Fol-De-Dah now dance to your partner Welt the floor, your trotters shake Wasn’t it the truth I told you Lots of fun at Finnegan’s wake
And whack Fol-De-Dah now dance to your partner Welt the floor, your trotters shake Wasn’t it the truth I told you Lots of fun at Finnegan’s wake
This is an interesting topic - maybe one for another thread. I mean the topic of free will.
Depression is different than a sad person. A majority of MDs will agree.
Yesss - The Irish do it right
oh that Yoshi and his Harakiri
Properly, _ Seppuku _.
Yeah, those puzzles can be killers.
Can we lock this thread and pin it ? Everyone seems to be dragging the topic to some non relevant stuff, this thread is very different from other endless threads, I think mods/chad need to lock the thread, STL started a stupid debate on a place least relevant .
^ I think the way this tread has gone is actually a pretty fitting tribute.
At first I felt like this…
But after the second page I was 100% thinking this…
Discussing mental health issues on a thread where one of our own killed himself seems pretty relevant. The discussion itself got off track, but that shouldn’t diminish the message here. Besides, things are civil again.
Ideally, this thread could have been 10 pages of “RIP” and bchad stories, and then we’d start another thread about mental health. That didn’t happen and here we are. Locking it would be the wrong move. There are still others out there that may not know what’s up and want to pay their respects here.
Oh no! I can’t believe it. How can this happen? I have not been on AF for quite some time and didn’t think I would come across such a tragic news. Bchad was the most admiring person on AF and I really enjoyed his posts. I never thought he would take such a big step… maybe I didn’t know him and what he was going through. May his soul rest in peace! This is a sad day for me!!