Age plays a facor too. Young females in their early 20s will prefer the bulky guys, women in their early 30s and older prefer toned guys.
^shit, does this hold for women who ‘become’ bustier?
So let’s make sure this is on the record. You do not find this man below attractive:
http://bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/chris-hemsworth-shirtless-in-thor-movie.jpg
And yes, I googled “chris hemsworth shirtless”.
I don’t.
But I can see how many women would.
Cut-and-paste still not working.
Yahoo’s front page has a story today about female Marines and fitness. The Marine Corps is apparently attempting to equalize physical standards so women can be integrated into combat jobs.
As we all know, male Marines must be able to perform a minimum of three pull-ups, with 20 being a perfect score. According to new fitness standards, women should also be able to do three pull-ups, with eight being a perfect score. _ Less than half of all women are able to do three pull-ups. _
The article also states that in fall of 2012, two female Marine officers attempted the 13-week infantry officer’s training course, and both failed to complete it.
Greenman’s .02 - Do people seriously think that having women in combat roles in the military is a good idea? Are people really deluded enough to think that women are as capable of men at surviving in a true combat situation? Is there any way that this ends well for America’s national defense?
I’ve never been in the military, but I’m ranked top 1000 on Call of Duty so that makes me an expert. And you should know Greenman that not all combat rolls are the same. My female avatar is good at sniping and the like.
I’m suprised nobody here has brought up training cost yet. Out of a selective 100 person pilot program, only 4 of the women made it through to acceptable standards. Even with relaxed standards that only a small percentage of women could meet you would be facing a significant turnover rate. The cost of failed recruits, which the Marines would absorb would be significant. This is for a perpetually underfunded branch (relative to other branches) that relies on a light and fast cost effective model embodied by a much higher percentage of combat roles than any other branch. It does seem wrong in the civilian world to allow sex discrimination based on broader results, even though the statistics are factual and real.
But within the military realm, I believe this may be a favored necessity in this case. Unless the Marines budget is raised, these costs come from equipment and training overhead as well as operations funding. Marines even pay for their own uniforms at cost to give an example of how tight fisted this organization is. If you want dress blues, you gotta buy them. In many cases, sniper and sharp shooter MOS’s will pay to equip / modify their own rifles.
Moreover, in a world in which realities differ from those in the civilian realm (reflected by the existance of a separate cour system), the Marines may be better off being exempt from the political pressures to conform to civilian standards of inclusion.
Hey look who’se back.
Did you start that website you wanted to?
It’s still in the works, more an issue of company model than the website itself at this point. Headed to the Outdoor Retailer show in few weeks to keep working on that. I appreciate the interest! Anyhoo, I looped in on a slow day at work and mostly just wanted to make that point, hope you all have fun!
Nice stat, how many pull ups can you do?
You seem happier in this post than previous posts. Perhaps taking a break was good for the soul
right now, probably none. But I’m also not trying to be a combat soldier in Americas most elite military branch, either.
So what’s your point?
That is my point.
Most people self select into these types of occupations, the average female is not going to wake up one day and decide to join the Marines in an infantry role. Grabing a stat that applies to the general population and then using it to support an argument as to why a select group of individuals shouldn’t be afforded the opportunity to particpate is lazy/flawed analysis.
Besides, without a doubt, the same stat likely applies to american men as well. Americans as a whole are fat, lazy, and horribly out of shape.
This thread reminded me of this chick, who looks like a BAMF. Not sure if she’s hotter in military clothes or in cheerleader clothes (not clothes).
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/us/cheerleader-turned-soldier-honored/
Good luck with the new venture!
I thought we discussed that there should be an absolute strength requirement, i.e. bench 150 lbs or something like that. If a 120 lb woman can do 20 pull ups with her own weight, can she still carry a 200 lb injured marine out of a fire zone? Also, at some point, it might just be unpractical to support different genders in combat roles. If the ratio of male to female marines is 100 to 1, should the marines still have to offer specific male/female amenities? Non-inclusion might not be fair to the tiny minority of women who want to serve in combat roles. However, maybe this is a scenario where practical considerations outweigh the need to be fair and politically correct.
a stat from th general population?
the women who failed or passed weren’t randomly chosen off the streets of San Diego. They were real female marines. They had already self-selected, and I’m sure were far above average.
And yes, I would use this as evidence why a certain group should not be allowed to participate. Very compelling evidence.
the standards were set (i would hope) in reference to what minimum physical ability would be required of recruits in a combat role. so if you don’t pass you very likely cannot adequately do your job, which could put other marines at risk. how is this even a discussion? unless it can be shown that the new, lower standard is a more accurate benchmark for minimum required performance, there is no legitimate argument for accepting it. those who would try to force a change solely in the name of ‘affirmative action’ ignor reality and only serve to put people’s lives at risk in this case.
another symptom of trying to cram the world into a non-objectivist reality: needlessly dead marines.
Check out Nasty Girls (SFW) by Crossfit on youtube. These girls are combat ready
[video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0nPnElcqgU width:500 height:500]
Just because most girls aren’t doesn’t mean they can’t.
^these girls have nothing to do with the debate. The question is whether a girl just meeting the new lower minimum should be allowed to pass.