It was important that the woman finds the man attractive. But in any case, it didn’t matter because the more attractive man had the best opportunity to pass on his genes.
You are mistaking good looks with attractiveness. Both are not nessecarliy present at the same time. Genghis Khan was attractive to women because he was a fine specimen. A man who conquers half the world clearly is fit for recreation. Success in life and attactivness to the opposite sex are not only correlative, they are causative. Men who are attractive to women have bigger penises, more intelligent, taller, stronger, healthier, more resourceful, dominant, extroverted, have higher sperm counts, and more likely to have more children. How does a woman know? The face is the strongest ancillary to all of the above. By looking at the craniofacial markers, a woman can tell with decent certinaty that you possess most or all of the above traits. Physcial development is easiest giveaway pertraining your genetic makeup. This is why when I said when a woman finds you attractive, chances are that all women find you attractive as well.
This is all based on countless studies of evolutionary psychology and science of natural selection.
I need some more details on this, please. I’d really like to know how this conversation went.
2TM - Hello?
Jane Doe - Remember me? I’m Naomi’s friend from college, and I’d just like to know if we ever f—ed.
2TM - Ummm…why do you ask?
Jane Doe - Well, I happen to have had a baby recently, and I’m calling random guys that I met once or twice to see if I ever f----d them. Based on my baby’s birthday, I should be able to narrow it down to a two-week period, and you’re the 57th guy I’ve called. (It was a really crazy couple of weeks.)
2TM - Ummm…no. I’m not your baby daddy.
Jane Doe - Well, can you remember any other guys I used to hang out with in college? Or do you remember any guys from your floor in the dorms?
2TM - Ummmm…no. Sorry I can’t help you find your baby daddy.
Yes, so far, I have the following issues as contributing to the puzzle of why the average woman’s number seems to be reported as lower than the average men’s number.
* Lying: inflating the number (men) deflating the number (women)
* More women than men in society (differential birth rates and differential death rates, and potentially differential start dates, assuming that we aren’t asking children and early teens in the survey)
* Sampling error (statistical variation between the sample estimate and the true average makes them not quite equal)
* Sampling bias (not including the high-numbered women in the sample: e.g. some high-number women are in fact professional prostitutes, no doubt, did the sampling technique give them a proportinately proper representation).
* Disproportinal memeories - forgetting who you’ve been with, rape-drugs, having sex with someone when they are too drunk or too sleepy to remember
* Those with very high numbers may also forget the exact number. Once you’re beyond about 20, it can get hard to keep track. Perhaps men misremember up and women misremember down
* Gender-based differentials on what “counts” as sex (does a BJ-only count as sex?)
* Rape, esp. date rape: the rape victim may not count it, because they didn’t consent and are trying to suppress a bad memory, but the rapist counts it as a score.
That’s not far off. She called, I answered and she explained who she was. I said I remembered her and she basically went for it. “This is embarassing but I need to know if we ever slept together.”
I said no, she explained that she was using a ton of drugs, made some really bad choixes and has a child that she doesn’t know who the father is.
I felt sort of bad for her, because she was one of those kids that showed up to college with zero exposure to anything bad, and within 6 months was a complete mess. Some people just aren’t ready for going from the sheltered life with mom and dad to full independence and limitless access to student loans.
It’s pretty simple and has been mentioned countless times already.
The 80/20 rule that applies to men.
Women don’t want to be seen as promiscus. We value novelty, in addition to prefering a female mate with less experience than us. Hence you will never get the actual number.
I’ve never done this during sex, but in other times when I’ve called women by the wrong name, it didn’t go well. Seems ladies don’t take kindly to that…
I’m sure Krnyc appreciates the frank replies from guys here. It’s one of the only places where she can see how guys really think. The guys that try to get into her pants or who are friends in the real world would never tell her how guys really think. I know I never would say what I type here to a woman. I have nothing to gain doing so. I keep it light, flirty and funny.
If you are talking about just sleeping with anything that moves, then yes. All you need is to be outgoing and out several times a week. You will always find someone way beneath you if you are average. If you are talking about attracting the top of the cream (9s and 10s), then you need much, much, much, much more.
I see it all the time. Like I’ve previously said, I can go out with 10 buddies to several social functions: wedding, library, outdoor festival, sporting event, groceries, bar, concert, etc. The same 2 guys will hook up regardless of the M:F ratio at these events. The bottom 6 won’t get anything even if there were 5 times more women. The 3rd and 4th guy can get lucky if everything falls into place.
I knew 2 bouncers growing up. They both told me similar things. One said 10% of guys pick up every night and it’s usually the same ones from week to week. He never understood why most of the rest even show up, week after week, year after year and go home empty handed everytime. The second bouncer told me 15%.
I was talking to a trainer at my gym last week. He’s been working there for 12 years now. He told me during the last 12 years, he has seen the same 5 or 6 guys pickup his female coworkers (receptionists, trainers, nutritionists, staff managers), especially the receptionists where turnover is so high. He tells me these women get hit on every week by over one hundred guys yet it’s the same ones that pick them up. The guy that slept with the nutritionist in 2004, also did a trainer in 2007 and another one in 2010 and will most likely be the one to do the new college student receptionist they plan to hire next month. The other 95 guys will use their clever lines found in PUA material and think they’re getting somewhere.
Adding to the above 80/20 rule argument. Women can subliminally smell if you’ve been with other women, and that raises your attractivness even more. While men who constantly lose out produce less or repulsive pheromones.
I’m actually surprised you know who Fonzie is, you must be ancient.
And yes I suspect a lot of guys who hooked up with a 21 year old who’se been with 20 + guys will be insecure not because of inexperience but because they couldn’t do any better than land a batshit crazy chick who has no idea how to make a stable relationship work. She’s experienced? In what exactly? Taking it up the anus?
I agree with everything else you said so I suspect something is heavily getting lost in translation so let me ask you bluntly, is a girl who’se hooked up with so many dudes at such a young age anywhere even near a half decent bet for a relationship in your eyes?
I guess the only thing all of us can agree on is that the whole PUA movement was a scam from top to bottom.
On a different note, what do you think of the statement that contrary to popular opinion
Sensitive guys generally do better simply because they are more genuine and with humans being social creatures someone who is genuinely interested in other people will do better than those who aren’t.
