Doesnt the law require “reasonable suspicion” to take hold here? I mean, I dont really like the law for other reasons, but there are already laws in place in all states where reasonable suspicion is the only requirement in order for someone to be detained. So in that sense it isnt that much different than things already in place…
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > eikichionizuka Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > 1) improve the accountability of criminals > thereby > > providing strong disincentives towards crime > > (harsher sentencing, increased police powers, > > greater probability of Type 1 errors-this would > be > > outweighed by the improved quality of life for > > everyone else) > > I really agree with Eikicho on this. The US is too > lenient on criminals. That’s why our prisons are > so overcrowded and too much tax payers money are > spent on locking up, feeding and taking care of > bad guys. > > Death penalty should be used in a quicker and more > frequently fashion. It could take up to 20 yrs for > someone to be executed from their sentence under > the current systems. Too long, too expensive. > > Lastly, what’s up with whimpy lethal injection? If > someone did something bad enough worth taking > his/her life away, we should at least use firing > squad, or better yet, just deep fry him/her… > > I am serious. Deep fry??? Wow you would blend in perfectly with Europe in the dark ages. You have some issues dude…
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > eikichionizuka Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > 1) improve the accountability of criminals > thereby > > providing strong disincentives towards crime > > (harsher sentencing, increased police powers, > > greater probability of Type 1 errors-this would > be > > outweighed by the improved quality of life for > > everyone else) > > I really agree with Eikicho on this. The US is too > lenient on criminals. That’s why our prisons are > so overcrowded and too much tax payers money are > spent on locking up, feeding and taking care of > bad guys. > > Death penalty should be used in a quicker and more > frequently fashion. It could take up to 20 yrs for > someone to be executed from their sentence under > the current systems. Too long, too expensive. > > Lastly, what’s up with whimpy lethal injection? If > someone did something bad enough worth taking > his/her life away, we should at least use firing > squad, or better yet, just deep fry him/her… > > I am serious. And apply it to those who cause disastrous economic consequences for the economy and the country. Whereas now if you are caught with a eightball, you get federal time and are exempt from getting a decent job for the rest or your life. Lose $50Bn? We file a civil suit where you thumb your noses at members of Congress.
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Death penalty should be used in a quicker and more > frequently fashion. It could take up to 20 yrs for > someone to be executed from their sentence under > the current systems. Too long, too expensive. > > Lastly, what’s up with whimpy lethal injection? If > someone did something bad enough worth taking > his/her life away, we should at least use firing > squad, or better yet, just deep fry him/her… > > I am serious. “I hate the electric chair, because electricity costs money, taxpayer money, my $50 to kill a guy that ain’t worth $hit! There are a lot of cheap ways to kill people. Like stabbing don’t cost a damn thing. Get a nice stabbing chair. SIT YO’ ASS DOWN” - Chris Rock
Marcus, yes deep fry… Think this way, for someone to be sentenced to die, he/she must have done something atrocious, painful or inhumane to others. Deep fry is one way to hit back on them…
Also in response to 2 and 3) many things in excessive amounts can be bad - you’ll enter a state of hyponatremia if too much hydrogen hydroxide is rapidly consumed, but not enough and you’ll die as well. The point being that sometimes, too much is bad, but not enough is bad too.
With the advent of DNA evidence, we’ve uncovered a remarkable number of innocently imprisoned citizens, and evidence of more who have been executed. Those who were innocent and executed were very likely convicted because of those stereotypes that all humans use and that we shouldn’t be worried about. Yes, I understand that we need stereotypes to organize our thoughts and our world, but we should not be licensing the coercive power of the state just so people can legitimately harass people who happen to have a negative stereotype. Yes, I know it happens, but it does not absolve us of the responsibility to try to prevent abuse.
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Marcus, yes deep fry… > > Think this way, for someone to be sentenced to > die, he/she must have done something atrocious, > painful or inhumane to others. Deep fry is one way > to hit back on them… So I guess the 8th amendment is pretty meaningless to you? Any other amendments you’d like to toss out?
Naked, dancing around your constitutional booby trap here… Tell me how blowing up someone’s head into pieces of bloody noodles with a firing squad (still used in some states) is less cruel than deep fry?
bchadwick - which people are you referring to that were wrongly executed? I was looking for this data to provide in a different forumn…
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Naked, dancing around your constitutional booby > trap here… > > Tell me how blowing up someone’s head into pieces > of bloody noodles with a firing squad (still used > in some states) is less cruel than deep fry? The firing squad is barely legal in the US, and I imagine if a prisoner sued under the 8th amendment to use another method besides firing squad they would win. Firing squads aim for the chest, and more importantly they’re instant, and not unusual. Deep fry? WTF is wrong with you? Enough with your strawman. You didn’t address my point.
NakedPuts Wrote: > The firing squad is barely legal in the US, and I > imagine if a prisoner sued under the 8th amendment > to use another method besides firing squad they > would win. Don’t just imagine… do some research. States like idaho, utah, etc. still used firing squad well after the 8th amendment was put in place. I try not to use prophanity to other AF users. but I can’t help laughing when I know your blood pressuing is surging… Ha! Sorry man. Back to the post, illegal immigrants cost more than they contribute to the country. Not to mention they are “Illegal”…
I did do some research. Utah and Nevada have banned it, although they did not ban it retroactively so there are still some prisoners to whom it may apply. Technically it is still legal in Idaho and Oklahoma, although only as a secondary method behind lethal injection. My blood pressure is fine, son. I only have a problem with people who want to trample all over the constitution.
A great policy would be to make them serve in military or civil duty functions for a time at special wage rates and then allow them full citizenship. Contribute to the country and reap its benefits. As of now, it would be easy to fine the hell out of a business that employees illegal immigrants to destroy the demand side that supports their income to pay rent, food, etc.
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As far as 1) is comncerned, we have the highest > incarceration rates of any country; police already > have a lot of authority and power; 2) and 3) > everyone will scream that you are a “socialist”. Decriminalizing marijuana would significantly decrease incarceration rates in this country.
^^ I agree it is a good idea, but Im not sure unless it was initiated retroactively. In my county, the DA will not even file charges against someone unless there is a large amount with intent to distribute or a gun violation. The know it is a waste of time and resources and the rest of the population is behind the times.
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In some parts of the US, the public schools are > burdened by the children of illegal immigrants. > > In other parts, crimes by illegal immigrants are > imposing fears among the residents. > > The list goes on and on… So it’s perfectly > understandable for hard hit states like Arizona to > take some admirable, albeit tougher, actions. > > That said, do illegal immigrants contribute more > in the US than they consume? Do they create more > value to our society than they destroy? > > Your take? Are you sure you are not a product of an illegal immigrant?
^^ 
Nope. I got here legally. And I am a Republican. Joe, a product of illegal immigrant yourself? If so, hope I didn’t offend you…
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ^^ > > > > Nope. I got here legally. And I am a Republican. > > Joe, a product of illegal immigrant yourself? > > If so, hope I didn’t offend you… I never would have guessed you were republican
According to “Freakonomics”, the Roe vs Wade (1973) abortion case has reduced criminality significantly. A bunch of kids who would have been raised into poor, uneducated, neglectful, monoparental households never did end up being born.