This thread has to be among the stupidest thread on AF in the past three years I started coming here. It makes me wonder if there are at least two trolls here.
Let’s end it with this (hopefully), captures perfectly the original point I was trying to make. bchadwick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it’s safe to assume that Ivy League types > are by and large pretty intelligent. They also > have an advantage of a cohort of friends and > colleagues and an alumni network that are likely > to be 1) intelligent, and 2) well connected. If > you’re in business, that’s a valuable asset to > have over and above general intelligence. > > The issue comes around to how justified it is to > assume that non-Ivy types aren’t intelligent. > This is clearly not justified, and there are > plenty of non-Ivy types that have impressed me > immensely with their intelligence, drive, and > capabilities. So if you see someone that doesn’t > have an Ivy pedigree, it’s important to look for > evidence of intelligence and not just dismiss it > as “well, they didn’t go to a top school.” > > The real challenge is when you have a stack of 200 > resumes to whittle down to 5 or 6 and you have to > do this in a time efficient way. Despite my nice > credentials, I also get cut out of this process > way faster than I feel I ought to be, but I also > understand the pressures that people are under. > > But when faced with a physical person networking > in front of me, I always try make sure to give > them an opportunity to demonstrate their > capabilities. So if you’re not Ivy, or something > like it, the networking method is definitely the > best.
I really apologize for making the post I made. Clearly I did not expect this sequence of events to follow. bostonkev, you sure missed your calling to be a lawyer
No hard feelings adehbone. Fun while it lasted but not worth the time spent.
adehbone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I really apologize for making the post I made. > Clearly I did not expect this sequence of events > to follow. > adehbone, the topic of education has always been a contentious subject on these boards, and in this instance it somehow got more personal than it needed to be. it’s obviously not your fault – clearly people have strong opinions on the matter, including myself. anyway, it’s not a big deal, and i apologize to anyone who took personal exception to my beliefs. the thread made for a hot topic of discussion for the day, but i think it’s good that we all move on at this time
All of you are good members of the board, nothing wrong with a heated discussion.
bostonkev Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > numi Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > why does it always seem to be the case that > those > > from lesser-known schools bash the top schools > in > > a manner that isn’t reciprocated? > > Simple. Dumber and less qualified people from > those brand name schools can more easily get the > spots that smarter and more qualified people from > lesser known schools cannot get. Not to beat a dead horse, but back in the day of my law school aspiration, I heard a someone say even the caboose of Harvard Law has a 6 figure job waiting for him/her. #1 at a non top 14 school is not even guaranteed a job anywhere.
CFAAtlanta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This thread has to be among the stupidest thread > on AF in the past three years I started coming > here. It makes me wonder if there are at least two > trolls here. Are you kidding! Call me shallow, but I was following this sucker from work all day, and loving every minute of it. Maybe not the most relevant or enlightening of AF threads, but by far the most entertaining I’ve encountered, hands down.
Call “me” shallow (I’ve been called worse and it’s all fully searchable)…I was partaking in it (a non-trivial part I might add, haha) and enjoying every moment of it… I get to show my friends who aren’t on AnalystForum and they get to laugh too…I think the amount of laughter and joy the thread brought outweighed the negativity.
This was nothing. You can do a search for my battle with ahahah and a couple of other Warren Bluff-its on Countrywide Financial late last year. Those self-proclaimed equity research geniuses/clowns thought it was a strong buy at 30 and called me all sorts of names while I was margined up to my eyeballs in put options. 62% total return on my portfolio later…
farley013, All I can think of when I see your screenname is Beverly Hills ninja… go back to your state school where you belong.
This thread reminds me of why we made fun of business majors in engineering 
Except I’m pretty sure the business majors had the last laugh at bonus time.
bostonkev Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Or most likely, they didn’t care at the right time > (or at all) in order to jump through the necessary > hoops… > > You meet plenty of these types of people at state > schools who can be brilliant, much more brilliant > than the low (IQ-based, not soft skills types of > things) requirements needed to simply qualify to > get into a brand named school. > > I know people who got 400 points HIGHER (back in > the old 1600 system) on the SAT than idiots who > ended up going to elite schools…simply because > those idiots did things like lead 10 school clubs, > play sports, etc. Even if your friend received a perfect score I don’t know if he would beat over 2% of the students SAT scores at a top school. I havwn’t heard of anyone lower than a 1200 at the school
This has truly been an impressive thread (take that any way you can). FWIW, here’s my perspective (as someone in academia). On average, I’d guess that students at Ivies are of better quality than those at state schools (with a few exceptions like Michigan and Virginia, which are almost “public Ivies”). It’s true that you get more than a few dullards with family bankrolls at Ivies. You also get dullards at state schools. But the “non-bankrolled” students at Ivies are top notch, and almost certainly better than their smart counterparts at state schools), because the competition to get into an Ivy is so fierce. That’s not to say that there aren’t smart kids at state schools - there certainly are, and the best can run with anyone. I’m just talking about averages. In addition, the rich kids at the Ivies have had better schooling, more resources, higher expectations, and smarter parents ON AVERAGE (I don’t think it’s off the wall to assume that more successful people on average have higher intelligence). So, given these factors, the Ivies probably have higher mean quality of students. In addition, I’d guess that the variance in quality at an IVY is probably lower than the variance at a state school (at least, the lower semivariance is), mostly because of the compression in the left tail of the distribution. But undoubtedly, much of the benefit of an Ivy comes from the network it gives you access to. It’s been said often on the forum, and it’s true - getting a foot in the door at a Walls Street firm (especially in front office jobs) is extremely tough unless you have a connection. Ivy League grads have that network - from family members for the bankrolled students, and from the alumni network for the rest. I doubt many students, given the chance to go to an Ivy League school, would pass it up to go to a state school, all else equal. From the perspective of an older (cough, cough) poster, this thread has had the flavor of a pissing match – fun to watch, as long as you’re out of splatter range (although using the words “flavor” and “pissing match” in the same sentence doesn’t sit too well…) But the vehemence with which the opposite sides have gone at it suggests that y’all have some issues (maybe even a whole subscription). If you get the job (or life) you want, who cares where you went to school? If you’ve been fortunate to go to an IVY, congratulations. If you’re succeeded without going to one, the same. But as you get older, where you went to school becomes less relevent. After a while, you get REAL concerns. But it has been an enjoyable hour or so reading this thread.
Well put.
Agreed. You (busprof) and bchadwick summarized perfectly what I was trying to say, even though I might have had trouble getting the point across due to the following factors: 1. counterparties were homing in on the specific points and taking things out of context, 2. while disregarding the general points and getting distracted by personal attacks (and other random distractions) Anyways, I truly hope I can contribute more to AF in the future instead of being a source of distraction and noise.
You guys are idiots, I know a guy that went to Bentley that pulls in six figures working a sweet ops job on State St. Him and the Pod party all the time. You don’t need an ivy league education (though Bentley is the equivalent) to get a good job and get chicks. Sigh…this just isn’t working, where’s dbag when you need him
I know a guy who went to Bronx Junior College and is now pulling down 7 figures dealing drugs and partying with Diddy. Screw your Ivy League educations. Screw education for that matter. Crack cocaine is da sh!znit.
The way I’m going to get rich: blaze my way through the UFC light heavyweight division.