I think people like Turd are actually doing fat people a disservice. Promoting an “optimal” diet as opposed to just stopping the overeating is like telling somebody that has a big hole in their boat to worry about the leaky portholes first. While fixing the leak may be important to keep the cabin dry, you’re going down if the hole is not fixed and fast. Your boat can last a long time with a small leak. Might not even be worth fixing.
Nutritionists and trainers have fat people thinking the dinner of free-range broiled chicken breast and organic broccoli is “good” for them even though they already consumed 4000 calories during the day. Beyond comical and sad. The best thing they can do is skip dinner.
Of course they say that. You pay them.
what can I say Gib, sometimes I forget that there are mediocre people in this world who are ok w mediocre results. I know my advice sounds really extreme in a world of trophies for everyone.
Not only extreme, but detrimental. Similar to trying make everyone a top cross-fit athlete. You’re hurting people. Probably not your intent, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Savage
nope, wrong tree.
Ghibli has this ultra weird angst against really in shape people. Bro no one wants to see your muffin top at the beach. Sorry some little kid pointed and laughed at you once, kids are mean, get over it.
I think they’re destroying the planet with intake and respiration. Consuming much more than their fair share. Polluting the atmosphere. I do realize most can’t be Adonis without extreme measures though. So I sympathize.
TF’s advice on page 1 of this thread is solid and sustainable. Cutting calories alone will help you lose weight and is a good first step for most obese individuals but its not healthy to keep putting crappy processed food into your body, any nutrionist will tell you this. You can lose weight without excercising but if you want to be healthy than it is best to incorporate some resistance training and cardio in a few days a week.
What’s wrong with selective mediocrity? I am proud to be mediocre in most parts of my life, and excellent in a few parts of it.
And I’m willing to bet you have a lot of mediocrity in your life, too. It’s just not fitness, because that’s important to you. But it’s not important to a lot of people (including me). “Healthy” is not the same as “fit”.
Not a single fat person in most old folks home. Lots of healthy thin people. And of course, they all are fitness nuts, NOT…Mostly mediocre people. These fitness types must base their self worth around some fantastical idea about nutrition and exercise. Most people assume I’m one of them. Nope, just move around a bit and limit my calories.
Nope, it actually is NOT a scientific fact, it’s a pop culture saying.
That flawed thinking comes from the law of thermodynamics (a scientific fact), which people applied to the human body. Except the human body is not a mechanical thing, there’s biochemistry , and so that law does not apply (or at least it is more complicated than what you think, because of biochemistry, which nobody understands). The way it actually works is unknown. But “calories in calories out” is NOT the way it works. For decades now people have tried to use it as a solution, and have failed. See overweight/obesity rates. Because it doesn’t work that way. What we DO KNOW is that when you gain weight, it is almost impossible to get rid of it long-term. Sorry original poster, there is no answer to your question because we do not have that level of scientific understanding yet. Try back in 10,000 years.
Honest to god. The “calories don’t count” crowd must have some mental disorder. Maybe the “CO2 is a pollutant” crowd and the “calories don’t count” crowd should seek help together. There probably is a lot of overlap. Here’s an article with only 124 references that might help you think rationally. Seriously, get professional help. http://www.completehumanperformance.com/calories-count/
Do people constantly talk past each other on every forum or just this one?
^What are the two separate topics?
No, that’s all wrong.
I don’t repeat crap I’ve read and post crap links. Independent thinking.
^Good luck with that. Right, thinking only matters in science. No need to waste time on those pesky studies. And look up the dangerous of negatively skewed “systems.”
What you posted wasn’t science, just junk.
I didn’t even make it past #1 “you could just eat sugar, as long as calories in calories out work, you lose weight”. Yawn, right from the start they fail at --> [time > evolution > biochemistry], and replace any chance of real science with pop culture over-simplified sayings, which the masses will repost as “proof”.
Any nutrition “science” which does not base itself on evolution, has no basis.
sorry guys, but PA is right. How many of you have actually tracked daily calories in a diary along with physical activity, weight, and % body fat. As an elite althlete trying obtain ideal body composition I have. I can tell you that it is A LOT more complex than calories in and out. The math _ does not _ add up that simply.