Yep, for example McCain was born on a base in Panama.
read a great quote today: “Jesus wasn’t born in America, but you don’t see Republicans trying to keep him out of government.” i’d like to point out that Jesus didn’t run for President and its also clear that he was an illegal immigrant; stealthily crossing borders at will and taking domestic teachers and preachers jobs out from under them in their own places of worship.
marcus, >>Abortion - In favor, there is no rationale for being anti abortion other than for religious reasons. It is a woman’s rights issue. This is really lazy thinking to assert that there is “no rationale” outside of religion. I mean, I see how it makes it easier for you to be dismissive, but it just isn’t true - even if you don’t find such rationale entirely pursuasive. I would encourage you to think harder.
When I first saw this thread I thought it said “Obama a Keynesian”. I chuckled.
Other topics: Polygamy – Yeeees! (limited to three wives) Zoophilia - Undecided; not into it, but my neighbors’ golden retriever has an intriguing smile.
Chuckrox8 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When I first saw this thread I thought it said > “Obama a Keynesian”. I chuckled. NERD.
sublimity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Chuckrox8 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > When I first saw this thread I thought it said > > “Obama a Keynesian”. I chuckled. > > NERD. haha…Rebecca Black
Palantir Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Did it not occur to the birthers that had there > been any truth to their arguments, Hillary would > have nailed it 4 years ago? Interestingly the whole birther issue was actually started by Hillary Clinton supporters during that primary (Note I did not say started by Hillary!). Obviously some fringe elements of the right have continued to carry the torch of this smear, just like many on the left accused the Bush admin of being complicit with the 9/11 attacks - even Howard Dean referred to theory as intersting and worth investigating, and he can hardly be called a fringe element of the Democrats.
Chuckrox8 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When I first saw this thread I thought it said > “Obama a Keynesian”. I chuckled. Thought the same actually.
Chi Paul Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Palantir Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Did it not occur to the birthers that had there > > been any truth to their arguments, Hillary > would > > have nailed it 4 years ago? > > Interestingly the whole birther issue was actually > started by Hillary Clinton supporters during that > primary (Note I did not say started by Hillary!). > Obviously some fringe elements of the right have > continued to carry the torch of this smear, just > like many on the left accused the Bush admin of > being complicit with the 9/11 attacks - even > Howard Dean referred to theory as intersting and > worth investigating, and he can hardly be called a > fringe element of the Democrats. Some fringe elements…you mean the guy who is leading the field for the GOP primary? Or the 48% of republicans who did not believe he was born here. Face it there’s racism here and it’s pretty sad that the first black president had to show people his birth certificate for a second time time to “prove” he was born here.
Agree it is sad that Hillary supporters had to start this train. I understand that using the all-purpose explanation of racism makes it easier to be dismissive rather than taking an argument on its merits but what is your evidence that this is racially driven given that black Republicans don’t face similar accusations? To me that very obviously suggests that this is driven by partisanship. Is there something other than your own personal stereotypes that provides a basis for thinking otherwise?
Yeah, I wouldn’t just dismiss this as being race-driven. Every presidential candidate faces some sort of smear campaign. John McCain would have died from old age during his presidential term. John Kerry is a flip-flopper. etc.
LBriscoe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Some fringe elements…you mean the guy who is > leading the field for the GOP primary? Or the 48% > of republicans who did not believe he was born > here. Face it there’s racism here and it’s pretty > sad that the first black president had to show > people his birth certificate for a second time > time to “prove” he was born here. He’s not the first black president, he’s the first mixed-race president and even that is debatable according to some “scholars”.
Ok. Maybe we can just call him the “most black” president in history then.
ohai Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok. Maybe we can just call him the “most black” > president in history then. If you’re going on skin color, okay. If you’re going on soul though, that’d be Bill Clinton.
Eh, I was actually going to say Bill Clinton also. He has the jazz thing going for him. Obama shoots hoops though.
ohai Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Obama shoots hoops though. So does Shawn Bradley 
higgmond Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ohai Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Obama shoots hoops though. > > > So does Shawn Bradley sigh…
mar350 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JOE2010 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > mar350 Wrote: > > > i still don’t get why it took that long or > why > > he > > > stuttered when trying to say ‘birth > > certificate.’ > > > just seems really wierd. > > > > I thought you were more intelligent than this? > > > than what? pointing out that he can’t say with a > straight face that he has a legal document proving > his birth in the us? > > he just had the chance and couldn’t do it. what am > i missing? > > you would think it would be extremely easy given > what a great public speaker he is. you’re a goof
CFABLACKBELT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ohai Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > bchadwick Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > > > I wish that there was a better way than “left” > and > > “right” to categorize political preference. > What > > if I support gay marriage but want lower tax > > rates? > > Closest thing to that is a Libertarian. No, not unless you are a capitalist fundamentalist. I am pro gay marriage pro lower taxes and definitely not a libertarian. However, by America’s skewed standards I would be a screaming commie socialist.