Derral Wayne Hodgkins- convicted and sentenced to death using DNA evidence in 2011.
I’m just scrolling down google results.
He was ultimately found not guilty within the same due process by exercising an immediate appeal. As was the first case you found. In other words, neither of these cases are actual convictions as the final result because when due process was exercised within the current framework of appeals, both were ultimately released without execution and all executions can be delayed until the process of appeals has been completed. This isn’t the criminal justice system failing, this is it working. Therefore, I am correct, in both cases you provided the individuals were ultimately found not guilty through the course of trial showing that the likelihood of somebody being executed falsely is in fact zero. Evidenced by the fact that there are no posthumous exoneration of people sentenced post DNA.
I declare victory over BWYF and lazy googling / reasoning.
lol bs should just take a week off to heal from such a brutal beatdown
I’m pretty sure it is 100% efficacious at eliminating dangerous and convicted murderer rapists. Please refrain from moving the goalposts.
Alfred Brown, convicted and sentenced in 2005 without DNA evidence.On death row until 2015.
See below, interestingly I didn’t even have to change any wording:
Since none of these cases resulted in final convictions and execution (highlighting the rigors of the criminal justice system I alluded to earlier), I can only assume you got confused and started arguing against imprisonment as a proxy for the capital punishment. Sad.
Lmao, dude, I haven’t moved anything. But glad to know you’re at least self-aware that you’re projecting.
What’s the evidence? Where’s the empirical evidence or study? And please make it after DNA testing if that’s the standard we are using.
You need evidence that the death penalty “is 100% efficacious at eliminating dangerous and convicted murderer rapists”?
Glad I could help.
DANIEL WADE MOORE - wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death using DNA and other evidence in 2002.
Isaiah McCoy convicted and sentenced to death in 2011. I believe this was without DNA evidence.
Derral Wayne Hodgkins- convicted and sentenced to death using DNA evidence in 2011.
Alfred Brown, convicted and sentenced in 2005 without DNA evidence.On death row until 2015.
Thanks for making my point!
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All ultimately found not guilty within the same due process by exercising an immediate appeal. In other words, none of these cases are actual convictions as the final result because when due process was exercised within the current framework of appeals, both were ultimately released without execution and all executions can be delayed until the process of appeals has been completed. This isn’t the criminal justice system failing, this is it working. Therefore, I am correct, in both cases you provided the individuals were ultimately found not guilty through the course of trial showing that the likelihood of somebody being executed falsely is in fact zero. Evidenced by the fact that there are no posthumous exoneration of people sentenced post DNA.
I declare victory over BWYF and lazy googling / reasoning.
So TL;DR
We should ban the death penalty because people may go to jail. Also the criminal justice system with its system of appeals ultimately works. Thanks!
Erm, people that oppose the death penalty still think criminals should be punished. Its just that jailing people for life is cheaper (when including the appeals which even BS has admitted is necessary for this system to work) and doesn’t result in as much state sponsored violence.
I really don’t get why you can’t accept this is a moral issue and it’s ok for people to disagree.
Haha at least these days black Swan seems to realize he is getting angry and adds a little bit of levity to the replies. That’s progress. I don’t really have an opinion here, just that it seems DNA wasn’t as fool proof as I initially thought (and I think the average juror thinks)
Because this is exactly where the logic breaks down. People aren’t actually getting wrongfully executed that is a red herring put forward by BWYF and the others with these made up theoretical arguments. They’re in some cases getting wrongfully convicted before eventually being released. So using cases like those is an argument against incarceration, not capital punishment and in favor of the due process associated with capital punishment.
Lastly and most importantly , arguing that jailing people for life is better because its cheaper due to all the appeals is at its roots illogical and a classic example of liberal hypocrisy. The death penalty is currently more expensive because of all the appeals and additional scrutiny granted to those cases. We also agree overturned convictions result. I use this to point to the fact that the additional scrutiny of the death penalty not only makes it essentially infallible in the modern age, but also actually grants justice. The prison is cheaper argument is essentially an argument against the death penalty because letting a wrongfully accused person potentially spend life in prison saves money on appeals. The reason the life sentences are less expensive is because once liberals get what they want, which is to be able to lock the animals away in a cage and forget about them, they’re left to rot without the same rigorous appeals process afforded death row inmates. Kudos libs, at least it makes you feel good.
You haven’t actually made a single point about why the death penalty is good. Other than you like bloodshed. All you’ve really done is insult liberals while moving goalposts. I’d like you to address these two points.
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The goal of the death penalty, (reduced recidivism, retribution, etc.) and why the current system fails to achieve it.
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An example of what you’d like to justice system to look like.
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The death penalty process gives heightened emphasis on due process (demonstrated by appeals) and then erases the worst among society’s predators from existence. If I have to choose between the population (including victims families) paying taxes to sustain a predator for life in a cage or insuring a more accurate final verdict (including subsequent reversals) through appeals and then erasing them, then it’s the latter. There is no redeeming value to keeping extreme Peter Scully type cases like the Golden State Killer or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in jail. The evidence is overwhelming, it is not a humane issue since they are not human, they need to go.
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I like our current system (hence defending it), fewer drug offenses though.
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How does life in prison not lead to removing these people form existence? If they are in a maximum security prison and don’t interact with the civilian population, does it really matter if the live or die? You state that it’s too expensive to keep them in Jail, but 1. Removing appeals is never going to happen, 2. removing the appeals increases the likelihood that innocent people will be killed, and 3. it’s so little money that it’s not really an argument about costs, it’s really about the principals.
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Why is the US’ system better than many Scandinavian models?
75% of people who were in prison and set free, go back to prison. so time in prison doesnt help.
just fyi to keep a person in prison for life, its about $1m which includes the 25k per year for 22 years to lock a criminal up. death penalty cost 2m and that includes the 50k/year for 15 years while they wait fo execution. majoirty of the cost is due to appeals.
a coup de gras through a quick death penalty is more preferable than a lingering prison sentence. i haer you can do anything you want in hell. lol anyways all jokes aside. its torture to keep them alive.
i am all for coming up for a solution to fix these people, but there is no solution at this time. we can run small sample experiements, but for the majority it is best to get rid of them while we find a better way.
look up edmund dantes for instance. he was wrongfully placed in prison for life. and he risked it all by trying to escape even if it meant death. after the escape, he became a rich powerful person with a mercedes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yADrtfAmLTo
Yes I can change, I can change I know I’ve been a dirty little bastard I like to kill, I like to maim, yes, I’m insane, but it’s okay 'cause I can change It’s not my fault that I’m so evil It’s society, society You see, my parents were sometimes abusive And it made a prick of me
Where in this statement did I say it was too expensive to keep them in jail or that we should remove appeals? I never made either claim. I don’t think you understood anything I said or have been saying in the prior few posts.
There is no redeeming value to Anders Behring Breivik existing in captivity.