Have to respect him though, they are not playing that well, but could very well play for the CL shortly.
Respect him as a football manager? To an extent.
As a person his antics leave a bad taste in the mouth. Imagine Klopp, Rodgers and Simeone with those kind of budgets. They’d have left Jose in the dust.
Jose won the CL with a smaller team than either of those three. So I would say, no they wouldn’t leave him in the dust.
I knew you’d say that 
Porto aren’t a small team by any standard. It was a phenomenal achievement to win the champions league with that team but lets not forget that they faced Manchester United who have arguably underperformed in Europe, Deportivo, Lyon and finally Monaco.
None of those teams are European Heavyweights. He got dealt a very good hand by getting a portugese ‘golden generation’ and a relatively favorable draw.
I do rate all those managers higher than him including Rafa Benitez, Carlo Ancelotti and a few others.
Those relatively “small” teams made it there by eliminating the “heavyweights”. Also, Depor and OL were far stronger back then.
Those teams are small compared to heavyweights like Real, Bayern, Milan and the usual suspects.
Benitez kept smashing him in Europe from 2005-2007 before Liverpool collapsed because of financial problems, Pep hammered him in La Liga and now Rodgers is killing him with a team assembled at half the price.
He’s a good manager, Not an innovative one and no longer in the top tier.
I expect Frank De Boer to maybe take the Barca job soon though. He’ll be one to keep an eye out for.
Check this out
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2010/nov/15/la-liga-manola-preciado-jose-mourinho
Well then, who eliminated these “heavyweights”? On one hand you say Porto isn’t a small club, but then you turn around and say that Depor and Monaco, at their strongest points are small…yeah sure.
So is the team that plays Atletico now have an easy draw because it’s not a “big” club?
Fc Porto isn’t a small club because they have 27 domestic league titles plus a European pedigree that boasts a champions league , a europa cup plus a number of super cups and intertoto cups.
Deportivo have won a grand total of 1 La Liga title and have no European pedigree.
Likewise Monaco had a decent home record but no European experience prior to that run and they haven’t been anywhere there again.
Atletico have won the most no of titles in Spain after Real and Barca , Have some real good european pedigree by defending the europa cup as well as smashing chelsea in the super cup.
That Porto run was good but it happened a while back and circumstances certainly played their part. Mourinho is boring now, His attitude as well as his teams.
Their European Cup win came two decades before Mourinho’s win. Their European pedigree is irrelevant to their form and quality. What’s next, is Nottingham Forest a big club?
Deportivo was in the best period in their life at that point in time, they had a league win two years earlier, and were a top 3 team in Spain, much like Atletico is now.
But more importantly, you keep ignoring my point, who was it that knocked all these “heavyweights” out of the CL that year?
While we’re at it, Mourinho was boring then too.
European Pedigree is never irrelevant considering only a handful of teams have won it more than once Coincidently these teams are ’ Heavyweights’. Real, Bayern, Barca, Liverpool, Milan etc.
The teams that knocked them out? How do i remember. A quick google search shows that Moncao knocked out Lokomotiv, Real and Chelsea while porto knocked out Utd, Lyon and Depor.
Since we’ve already covered Porto’s run, Lokomotiv is not a team that inspires respect and chelsea were early into their Abrahmovic reign and again without any experience and pedigree. Real, you have to give them credit for that though.
Again the same wiki shows that Real and Bayern knocked each other out early on, Milan took a 4-1 lead over Depor in the first leg before a freak result in the second i.e circumstances being favorable for mourinho.
N’ham are a curious case because even though they won it twice they never dominated the local league for a sustained period of time, They won the domestic league title just once. You have to account for the game being very different then, money was not a big factor those days. I think N’ham just fell through the net when money started pouring in around the 90’s.
And yes when we write the history books we remember Cryuff’s Holland with their total football even though they won nothing, we will remember the Brazil team of the 1970’s and 80’s, Pep’s Barcelona, Ferguson’s united with Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez, Paisley’s Liverpool, Wenger’s early Arsenal etc. Mourinho might have won trophies but no one will remember his teams after hes gone.
He’s a good manager, never in the top bracket for me.
You’re talking around in circles now. First you say Porto never faced big teams, but then you convenient forget that these big teams were knocked out by small teams. What do you think that tells you about the “small” teams?
European pedigree is not why the “heavyweights” are successful, it’s because they are huge clubs with huge budgets whose success has been in sporadic bursts. While you’re touting RM as a heavyweight, I’ll take the time to point out that 5 of those wins came in the 50s, while the other four came in another small period, and since then, they’ve not been a “heavyweight”. Same goes for Liverpool who had a twenty year run of mediocrity before they won the CL again.
What you don’t understand is that a manager’s job isn’t to build attractive teams that are “remembered”, it is to win, and that is something that he has surpassed “Wenger’s early Arsenal”, and matched the other teams you mentioned. Brendan Rodgers has a long way to go before you start putting him over Mourinho… He may not be in the top bracket for you, but he has the records and titles with a range of teams to show that he very much is.
Not at all, Let me explain.
There are 2 criterias to be considered a heavyweight of Europe :
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Sustained success for a period of time in your home league.
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Since the Champions league is knockout format and in such cup runs anything is possible winning- winning the european league more than once. I’ve left out the europa cup because that’ll confuse things slightly now
Porto qualify, the rest do not. If you use this as your base throughout history the cream rises to the top. FC Porto are still a competetive team, Depor are in the second division of spain right now.
I’ve already spoken about both teams knock out runs. Fc Porto knocked out United and Monaco knocked out Milan that’s it. Hence, their run ins were favorable. Liverpool in 05 had Juve, a Chelsea bankrolled by russian black money and Milan. See the difference?
It is true that money is now the reason why clubs are competetive but that wasn’t the case before, it is why Chelsea and Man City are now forcing their way into the club of elite teams but it wasn’t always like this.
As for a few other points I think you can clearly see that despite being the best team in England last year and probably the second best this year and having a squad worth 100 million plus Man City haven’t been able to transfer their relative dominance to Europe.
Why? Pellegrini is a brilliant manager and their players are world class. It is because of a no of factors out of which pedigree and experience play an important role. Chelsea have it now because they’ve consistently been in and around Europe since 05 as well as winning quite a bit locally. They were nothing before Roman’s millions.
The last point, yes it is a managers job is to win which is why i don’t dislike Simeone. He’s doing the best he can with a limited budget for a team that’s grown up in the shadow of their illustrious cousins. His players use elbows, they foul, dive, and defend like rocks. It isn’t pretty but they’re shoving a finger to everyone in football who thinks money is the base for trophies.
But Mourinho, the cunt makes sly remarks, gouges out people’s eye’s, put pressure on the ref’s, calls a colleague a pedo and spends millions on his squad while whining about having no cash. Sorry for all that shit we have to sit through the least he could do is give us entertaining football.
As for the trophies he’s won? He still can’t sit at the table with Paisley and Ferguson. Shankly didn’t win much either, I don’t think Mourinho can wash his shoes, Fk him. Klopp, Brendan, Pep will make a laughing stock out of this assclown.
There is no point in arguing if you think Klopp, BR and Pep will make a laughing stock out of him or if you don’t think he sits in the same table as Ferguson.
Klopp and BR, i’m sticking my head out on them. From their idea’s about the game, the way they’ve built attacking teams on limited budgets etc, I think as their clubs become more wealthy they will keep getting more competetive and they will smash Jose when it comes to trophy count. It’s a guess obviously but not farfetched.
As for Ferguson, The man who pulled Utd from the wilderness to domintate the English game and transformed them into a corporate behemoth with a worldwide fanbase along with winning 13 premier league titles, 2 European championships and 5 FA cups?
The man who’se been around for 2 decades, seen it all, done it all, seen the threat’s of Rovers, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool come and go and always had enough for one last push?
Your laughing if you think Jose is anywhere near him.
The same guy who underachieved, by your own words, in Europe?
Relatively yes, A more tactically savy manager would have transferred that local dominance into Europe like Pep did in a short span of time. United never had that invincible air in Europe that they had in England.
Ferguson wasn’t that tactically savy but he did play attacking football, he was the probably the best motivator we will see in our lives, he was ruthless, always got the big calls right and for sheer longetivity at this point of time he is the best manager the world has ever seen.
Again you’re joking if you think anyone apart from Paisley is near him. They might get there including Jose but right now at this point? No chance, and with this new breed coming through i think Jose has his hands full.
City are on the same playing field as him now in the same league, let’s see how he does. Didn’t do too well in Spain even after investing in 150 million pounds of talent did he?
As much as I think Mourinho is a self-absored POS, he’s a good manager. He proved that prior to arriving at Chelsea and he’s proving that today. I had no issues with yesterday’s display. He knew that they would get beat if they tried to go into open play with AM so therefore he parked the bus. You have to play to your strenghts.
I still think he has a ways to go before catching up to AF(who is also a self-absorbed POS). Another reason I would personally put AF over Mourinho is the means in which they won. Mourinho post porto has had an abundance of stars and money whereby AF hasn’t gone on as much of a spending binge at MUFC.
I can’t stand Mourinho though. F*** that guy. The kind of guy you’d take please in slapping multiple times. Like his referree comments post the Sunderland game. Come on dude. You spent a lot of money on players and lost. Take it with some class. Don’t be a b****.
Who do you guys have winning today? I’m honestly torn. There should be great displays all around. I’ll predict a 1-1 draw.
I bet a bit on Bayern.
Watch Real run away with it now.
A guy who is not tactically savvy is now the No.2 manager of all time according to you? You cannot be serious. Tactical skill is one of the most, if not the most important managerial attributes. Ferguson had great extended success at the PL, but he suffers badly when it comes to sharper tacticians. There is no way Ferguson is Top 2 of all time. He may make the Top 10, but that’s a subject for another day.
You keep mixing up attacking football with managerial or tactical skill, and typically your POV is very EPL-centric. Ferguson top 2, Paisley greatest ever, BR, best emerging manager…will you now say that Gerrard is the best DM in Europe the way BR has been claiming?